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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 5, 2005 7:14 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #6 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:
St. Louis-San Francisco (Frisco)

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Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 5,100

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 286
Passenger: 23
Switchers: 102

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 17,889 Passenger cars – 230

Principal routes in 1950:

St. Louis-Quanah, TX
Kansas City-Birmingham, AL via Ft. Scott, KS
St. Louis-Memphis
Amory, MS-Pensacola, FL
Monee, MO-Paris, TX
Sapulpa (Tulsa) OK-Dallas/Ft. Worth
Fort Scott-Afton, OK
Kansas City-Springfield, MO via Clinton, MO
Monett-Ellsworth, KS
Tulsa-Avard, OK
Nash, MO-Hoxie, AR

Passenger trains of note:

Black Gold (Tulsa-Fort Worth)
Firefly (Kansas City-Oklahoma City)
Kansas City-Florida Special (Kansas City-Jacksonville)
Memphian (St. Louis-Memphis)
Meteor (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Fort Smith, AR)
Oklahoman (1st iteration) (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Oklahoman (2nd iteration, 1965-67) (St. Louis-Oklahoma City)
Southland (Kansas City & St. Louis-Atlanta & Pensacola)
Texas Special (St. Louis-San Antonio & Forth Worth)
Will Rogers (St. Louis-Oklahoma City & Wichita, KS)

Of note:
Southern Railway handled trains east of Birmingham.
MKT (Katy) handled the Texas Special between Vinita, OK and Texas destinations.

Also:
The route maps for Frisco that I have, only reflect central and south central U.S. trackage. Further, there are NO references to thru passenger trains to the west coast under the Frisco name. Thru car service, no doubt, but with other carriers. In the 1960’s freight trains #37 and #437 ran jointly with AT&SF between Birmingham, AL and LA. A motive-power pooling agreement was reached along with restrictive trackage rights. It should be noted that from the onset of FRISCO’s existence, the competing railroads succeeded in keeping them from ever reaching California. So, what’s in a name [?]! And, yes – it is confusing. [swg]


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 4, 2005 6:24 PM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #5 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific (The Rock Island)
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Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 7,579

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel – 539

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 26,690; Passenger cars – 646

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Omaha, NE
Omaha-Colorado Springs & Denver, CO
Davenport, IA-Tucumcari, NM
Bureau Junction-Peoria, IL
Minneapolis, MN-Kansas City, MO
Manly-Burlington, IA
Cedar Rapids (Vinton), IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Keokuk, IA-Bear Lake, SD
Tucumcari-Memphis, TN
Herington, KS-Houston, TX
Little Rock, AR-Eunice, LA
Kansas City-St. Louis

Passenger trains of note:

Choctaw Rocket (Amarillo, TX-Memphis)
Corn Belt Rocket (Chicago-Omaha)
Des Moines Rocket (Chicago-Des Moines, IA)
Golden State (Chicago-LA; joint ops w/SP)
The Imperial (Chicago-LA)
Kansas City Rocket (Minneapolis-Kansas City)
Peoria Rockets (Chicago-Peoria)
Texas Rocket (Ft. Worth-Houston; then Kansas City-Dallas)
Twin Star Rocket (Minneapolis-Houston)
Quad City Rocket (Chicago-Rock Island)
Rocky Mountain Rocket (Chicago-Colorado Springs & Denver)
Zephyr Rocket (Minneapolis-St. Louis; joint ops w/CB&Q)

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 4, 2005 11:12 AM
G'day Mlaferriere Mike

When I rode those RDC's they were owned and operated by the B&M - MBTA hadn't gotten to them yet. Just cannot imagine those fine Budd cars being "gutted" with the removal of their power plants. But time marches on, eh [?]

Can't help you with regard to "What usually happenns to these old cars," other than to say there's an assortment of probabilities. Scrappers - collectors - restorationists - museums, sold for parts, etc. Take your pick.

I see that you are new to these Forums - enjoy your time, there's a lot of great places to browse. Check us out at "Our" Place, if you're so inclined to frequent a cyber bar 'n grill! [swg]

Thanx for stopping by and I hope you've gotten something out these 8 pages of passenger RR "stuff!"

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MBTA RDC-1B in Palmer Massachusetts, rusting away
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 4, 2005 10:26 AM
Hello Folks.
Just months ago I gave up on Boston traffic and now enjoy a ride every day on the MBTA Worcester/Framingham route into Boston. While in Palmer I spotted a MBTA passenger car numbered 6152 on a siding. This poor chap is missing windows. I did a few web searchs on it and found that these where used up until 1989 on the MBTA. Too bad, I think the view would be pretty enjoyable up top! What usually happens to these old cars? I believe CSX owns the yard this car is in so it probably is not a good sign for this car that it is here. What usually happens to them? To bad the Connecticut Trolley museum couldnt get it or someone else.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 4, 2005 10:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cnw4001

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For cnw4001

RDCs are special indeed, always enjoyed traveling in 'em, short distance or long. [tup]

I used to commute to Boston with the B&M aboard their RDCs back in the late 60s. There was quite a fleet at North Station; South Station too with the NH ....

Appreciate you comments! [tup]




Interesting you should mention the MBTA RDC's. Rode those on a visit to Boston a number of years ago but they were no longer RDCs, the power plants had been removed and they were coaches hauled by locomotives.

Was a handy way to get into the city while staying at a motel out in the suburbs

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 4, 2005 8:32 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . .PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #4 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Western Pacific (WP)
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Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Route mileage in 1950: 1,137

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel - 174

Rolling stock in 1950: Freight cars – 5,532; Passenger cars – 29

Principal routes in 1950 (not including subsidies):

Oakland-Stockton-Sacramento, CA-Salt Lake City, UT
Keddie-Bieber, CA
Reno Junction-Reno, NV
Niles-San Jose, CA

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago – Oakland)
Feather River Express (Oakland-Portola, CA)
Royal Gorge (Oakland-St. Louis, MO)
Scenic Limited (Oakland-St. Louis)
Zephyrette (Oakland-Salt Lake City) [RDC’s!]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 3, 2005 2:05 PM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #3 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from The Official Guide of the Railways – Aug 1956:
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Missouri – Kansas – Texas Railroad (MKT – KATY Lines)

On hand reference material does not provide a detailed equipment listing, however there are some items of interest:

Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Passenger trains of note: Katy Flyer – The Bluebonnet – Texas Special

Slogans: The KATY Railroad – Natural Route Southwest.

….. Only ONE COUPON is required for passage between any two points on MISSOURI – KANSAS – TEXAS LINES.

….. “Texas Special Route – Frisco – M-K-T Lines” from St. Louis to Dallas, Fort Worth, Wichita Falls, Waco, Temple, Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Intermediate points.

….. Specify Katy’s New Fast Service – 17 hours – Kansas City to Dallas - Fort Worth. Second Morning Delivery from Chicago Via C.B.&Q. – Kansas City – M.K.T.

Advertisements: Route ‘em Katy Southwest

….. On The Famous Streamlined Texas Special

Luxury sleeping car and coach accommodations, nationally famous diner meals please every taste, every budget. Friendly, attentive service in an atmosphere of restful comfort. Through sleeping cars to and from Chicago, New York, Washington and the Metropolitan East, via the St. Louis gateway.

Daily between St. Louis and San Antonio.

….. On The De Lux Texas Bluebonnet

Bedroom and Section accommodations available between Kansas City, Forth Worth, Dallas and San Antonio. Roomettes between Kansas City and Dallas; Diner-lounge car … traditionally superb Bluebonnet diner meals. Dallas and Fort Worth passengers particularly appreciate the “just right” overnight Bluebonnet schedule. You retire at your usual bedtime, arrive refreshed and rested

Short line between Kansas City and the principal cities of Texas (daily).

Famous Meals a feature of Katy Dining Car Service!

Breakfast .75 to $1.75

Luncheon $1.20 to $2.50

Dinner $1.20 to $5.50

Know Your Pullmans

All regularly assigned sleeping cars on Katy-Lines are numbered. Car 16, for example is invariably a 14 Roomette, 4 bedroom cars, operating on the Texas Special between St. Louis and Dallas. Reservations are made accordingly.

On these pages sleeping car numbers are featured for your guidance. It is a good idea to check your reservations to be sure your space has been properly assigned.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 3, 2005 8:15 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Passenger RR Fallen Flag #2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Missouri Pacific (MoPAC)
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Headquarters: St. Louis, MO

Route mileage in 1950: 9,700

Locomotive fleet in 1963: Diesel: 724

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 44.923 Passenger cars: 533

Principal lines in 1950:

St. Louis-Sedalia-Kansas City, MO-Omaha, NE
Jefferson City-Boonville-Kansas City
St. Joseph, MO-Stockton, KS
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO
Osawatomie, KS-Wagoner, OK-North Little Rock, AR
Pleasant Hill, MO-Wichita-Geneseo, KS
Fort Scott-Larned, KS
Rich Hill-Joplin, MO
Carthage, MO-Diaz, AR
St. Louis-Little Rock, AR-Texarkana, TX
East St. Louis, IL-Poplar Bluff, MO
Bismark, MO-Salem, IL
Bald Knob, AR-Memphis, TN
Little Rock-McGehee, AR-Lake Charles, LA
Memphis-McGehee
McGehee-Vidalia, LA
Pine Bluff-Hot Springs, AR
Gurdon, AR-Clayton, LA
Longview-Laredo, TX
Palestine-Galveston, TX
Brownsville, TX-Baton Rouge, LA-New Orleans
New Orleans-Donaldson-Alexandria, LA
Forth Worth-Spring (Houston), TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
El Paso-Longview, TX-Livonia, LA-New Orleans (T&P)
Fort Worth, TX-Cypress, LA, via Texarkana & Marthaville, LA (T&P)
Texarkana-Longview (T&P)

Passenger Trains:

Aztec Eagle (San Antonio-Mexico City)
Colorado Eagle (St, Louis-Denver)
Houstonian (New Orleans-Houston)
Louisiana Sunshine Special (Little Rock-Lake Charles)
Missouri River Eagle (St. Louis-Omaha)
Missourian (St. Louis-Kansas City and Wichita)
Orleanean (Houston-New Orleans)
Ozarker (St. Louis-Little Rock)
Pioneer (Houston-Brownsville)
Rainbow Special (Kansas City-Little Rock)
Royal Gorge (Kansas City-Pueblo)
Southerner (St. Louis-El Paso & San Antonio & New Orleans)
Southern Scenic (Kansas City-Memphis)
Sunflower (St. Louis-Kansas City & Wichita)
Sunshine Special (St. Louis-Hot Springs & San Antonio)
Texan (St. Louis-Fort Worth
Texas Eagle (No. 1 & 2: St. Louis-El Paso, TX)
Texas Eagle (No. 21 & 22: St. Louis-Houston & San Antonio)
Valley Eagle (Houston-Brownsville)

Of note: National Railways of Mexico operated the Aztec Eagle between Nuevo Laredo-Mexico City.
T&P operated the El Paso trains out of Texarkana and handled Texarkana-Longview trains.
Denver trains out of Pueblo were operated by D&RGW.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 2, 2005 2:51 PM
Hello DaveJfr0

Glad you are enjoying the Ads - that's the idea!

There is no single answer that will fit all situations for the Classic Passenger Trains that criss-crossed the U.S. and Canada many decades ago. I'm hardly an expert, but we have one or two who frequent this site who can most probably fill you up with all kinds of "good stuff" regarding the interiors.

I was a kid in the 1940's and early 50's when these Classics were running. What I recall, depending on where you were ticketed - the coaches weren't anything special - but much better in the workmanship department. Just more finishing touches. Now if you were booked in the bedrooms and had access to the lounges, well that's another story entirely. In some cases the trains were elegant and extremely well appointed. Why [?] Competition. There was an ongoing effort to win over the travelers from one road to another. That's why those Ads appeared in all of the leading magazines and on bill boards. There wasn't TV (I know, that's probably very difficult for many to accept![swg]) Anyway, the RR's did everything they could to make their trains MORE attractive than the other guys.

Regarding Amtrak, let me say this from someone who was there when the passenger roads folded the tent. Amtrak is a story that so many on these forums have opinions on. Much is very negative. My take on it is simple - it's the only game in town. I ride it - I support it and I hope it doesn't die off. For should the latter happen, there just won't be any long distance trains left. It's very easy to get caught up in the "bashing game." The wiser person is one who does some research along with gaining some experiencing before opining.

Good luck to you on these forums as I see you are a new guy in town.

Later! [tup]



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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 2, 2005 12:41 PM
The ads sound so amazingly and make the rides sound so comfortable and desirable. But what were the interiors really like in these trains and what colors did the railroads decide to use for everything like their carpets and upholstries and walls. Was it anything like amtrak's blue blue blue and more blue?
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 2, 2005 8:54 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Passenger RR Fallen Flag #1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Another slow day and a good time to Post a bit of info regarding a Passenger RR Fallen Flag - The Southern Pacific (SP) : (from: Classic American Railroads)
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Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Mileage:

1950: 15,039 (including subsidiary St. Louis-Southwestern)
1955: 178,340 (including subsidiaries, SW, SPCSL, and D&RGW)

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 2,096

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars 77,401 - Passenger cars: 1,002

Principal lines as of 1950:

Los Angeles-San Francisco via San Jose
San Jose-Ogden, Utah
Davis, CA-Portland, OR, via Chemult and Eugene, OR
Eugene-Black Butte via Roseburg, OR
Sacramento-Burbank (LA) via Bakersfield
Lathrop-Martinez, CA
LA-New Orleans via Phoenix, AZ
El Paso, TX-Tucumcari, NM
Galveston-Dallas/Denison, TX via Houston and Hearne
Rosenburg-Brownsville, TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
Houston-Shreveport, LA
St. Louis-Dallas/Ft. Worth (SSW)
Memphis, TN-Brinkley, AR
Mt. Pleasant-Waco, TX (SSW)
Lewisville, AK-Shreveport, LA (SSW)

Principal added lines as of 1996:

Tucumcari-St. Louis via Kansas City
St. Louis-Chicago via Bloomington, IL
Kansas City-Chicago via Quincy, IL (trackage rights on BNSF)
Kansas City-Chicago via Ft. Madison, IA (trackage rights on BNSF)
Ogden-Pueblo, CO via Salt Lake City, UT and Salida, CO
Dotsero-Pueblo, CO via Grandby and Denver
Pueblo-Kansas City via Salinas, KS (trackage rights on UP)

Notable passenger trains:

Argonault (LA-New Orleans)
Cascade (Oakland-Portland)
City of San Francisco (Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW) – Milwaukee Road after 1955)
Coast Daylight (San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo; for a time also known as Morning Daylight)
Del Monte (San Francisco-Monterey, CA)
Golden State Limited (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Hustler (Houston-Dallas)
Imperial (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Lark (Oakland/San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo)
Owl (San Francisco-LA via Bakersfield)
Sacramento Daylight (Sacramento-LA via Bakersfield)
San Francisco Overland (Until Oct 1955, Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW; after 1955 Oakland-St. Louis joint with the Wabash Railroad)
San Joaquin Daylight (Oakland-LA via Bakersfield)
Shasta Daylight (Oakland-Portland)
Starlight (San Francisco-LA)
Sunbeam (Houston-Dallas)
Sunset Limited (Initially San Francisco-New Orleans via San Joaquin Valley; later cut back to LA-New Orleans).

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 1, 2005 11:57 AM
G'day!

Here are some RR heralds of roads that used to run passenger trains. Only two showing on this list still do .... they should be easy to find.

This is NOT an all inclusive list, just one of roads that I find interesting ....



Enjoy!

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 1, 2005 10:27 AM
G'day BK

Sorry I missed you yesterday - I was at the bar and just didn't check this thread very closely. Glad you got my email way up there in Alberta's high country. [swg]

Passenger Fallen Flags, eh [?] A thought. This thread isn't much on two-way dialogue, but if you check out the numbers for those looking at it, seems to be doing well.

Given it's a new month - perhaps I'll try something a bit different.

Stay tuned .......

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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, December 1, 2005 9:25 AM
Good Day Captain Tom,

Just wondering, are you planning on posting your passenger train fallen flags on this thread? That might shake a few out of the trees.

Thank you for the email response and I will see you at the bar.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:56 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #28

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

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Extra service at no extra fare!

Route your passengers on the Central’s newest train

OHIO XPLORER CLEVELAND-CINCINNATI

Built for the Central by Pullman-Standard, the beautiful, lightweight all-coach Xplorer brings a new look to American railroading. Travelers will appreciate being introduced to this train and its convenient schedule.

*Hostess service
*Seat service for light meals from a rolling buffet
*Air cooled
*Reclining contour seats
*Separate bar-lounge car

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Train #421 – Lv. Cleveland 6:45 AM – Ar. Cincinnati 12:15 PM
Train #422 – Lv. Cincinnati 1:45 PM – Ar Cleveland 7:15 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Also serving 8 cities in between . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . .



Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by BudKarr on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:50 PM
Good Day Captain Tom,

Just checking in from Alberta and wanted to see how things are going on your "other" thread. Still pretty much the same with you providing some extremely interesting material, but not getting very much in return.

Well, I have the benefit of having seen your work over at the bar and think that you have really extended the effort quite well here.

Traveled the "Canadian" form Jasper to Vancouver and back within the week. I discussed it in more detail at the bar.

A fine train that Via Rail operates and perhaps the last of the streamliners left in North America. Only the locomotives make one realizes that the train is not quite the same as when it rolled under the Canadian Pacific flag. Well, there are other differences of course - different right of way and so forth. Those F40PH locomotives are just fine as power units, but they do not lend themselves very well to the asthetics expected of a streamlliner.

Enough. I am about to lose my connection up here in high country.

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:13 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #27

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

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Something new for veteran travelers THROUGH SEPT. 29TH

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

For a limited time only
AEROTRAIN CLEVELAND-CHICAGO

This much-talked about, lightweight train offers a new experience in travel – provides fast, conveniently scheduled coach service between Cleveland and Chicago . . . with many attractive New York Central features.

* Hostess service
* Seat service for light meals from a rolling buffet
* Separate bar car
* Air cooled
* Reclining contour seats

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Standard Time) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Train #201 – Lv. Cleveland 6:35 AM – Ar. Chicago 12:15 PM
Train #200 – Lv. Chicago 4:00 Pm – Ar. Cleveland 10:45 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . Also serving 12 cities in between . . . . . . . . . .



Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by cnw4001 on Monday, November 28, 2005 1:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: cnw4001

Live 'n learn. Thought you were makin' a funny. I have no experience with the travel industry (as you refer to it), which of course is obvious.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


Actually a little of both, was humor about the web price but the group plan was an actual operating practice.

Probably still is.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:54 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #26

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Chicago, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad (The Milwaukee Road) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains
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”Gee, Daddy, they had a private car just for us ladies.”

That’s right, young lady. There is a combination Touralux-coach, with 8 berth sections and 24 reserved coach seats exclusively for women and children on The Milwaukee Roads OLMYPIAN HIAWATHA.

The tastefully decorated Touralux sleeping cars have individually lighted and air conditioned berths. Yet berth cost and fare on a round trip between Chicago and Seattle is about $37 less than in standard sleepers.

You can travel in comfortable, reclining chair coaches . . . for less than 2 cents a mile . . . round trip between Chicago and Seattle only $76.20 plus tax.

While the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA offers these unique advantages for the thrifty, it also provides de luxe Pullman accommodations. No matter what your choice, you enjoy fine food, friendly service and a fast schedule of 45 hours between Chicago and the Pacific north coast over a gloriously scenic route.

You can go to California via Seattle-Tacoma at little or no added rail fare. Ask your local railroad agent, or write: F. N. Hicks, Passenger Traffic Manager, 708 Union Station, Chicago 6, Illinois.

. . . . . . . . . .OLYMPIAN Hiawatha
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CHICAGO-MILWAUKEE-TWIN CITIES –MILES CITY-BUTTE-SPOKANE-SEATTLE-TACOMA

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad – THE MILWAUKEE ROAD


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by red p on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:36 AM
I just thought the ticket price from Det. to N.Y. was interesting. of course that letter is almost 40 years old [swg]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:19 AM
For: ftwNSengineer

Ohhhhhhh - okay! I think the guys at the bar would appreciate it as well.

For: cnw4001

Live 'n learn. Thought you were makin' a funny. I have no experience with the travel industry (as you refer to it), which of course is obvious.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by cnw4001 on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:14 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: ftwNSengineer

That's quite a "find," something worth hanging on to .... Just curious, did you mean to Post this over at the bar [?]

For: cnw4001 Sure, they had all kinds of "freebies" during PC's "run." Yeah - right. They were hangin' on for dear life .... good tongue in cheek. Wonder what kinda "group rate" one gets with Amtrak [?]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

It's not so much a feebie as a standard practice in the travel industry. When a consolidator books 15 paid seats they get a 16th seat free. Airlines and other modes used (may still use) the same promotion. Travel agencies used these seats to send their representative with the group on a "guided " tour.

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Posted by red p on Monday, November 28, 2005 7:48 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: ftwNSengineer

That's quite a "find," something worth hanging on to .... Just curious, did you mean to Post this over at the bar [?]


Tom[4:-)][oX)]


No, I put it over here because its on the subject of passenger trains.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 28, 2005 7:23 AM
For: ftwNSengineer

That's quite a "find," something worth hanging on to .... Just curious, did you mean to Post this over at the bar [?]

For: cnw4001 Sure, they had all kinds of "freebies" during PC's "run." Yeah - right. They were hangin' on for dear life .... good tongue in cheek. Wonder what kinda "group rate" one gets with Amtrak [?]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by cnw4001 on Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ftwNSengineer

Well everybody sorry about the large image. But I wanted it to be readable.

I bought some timetables off EBAY awhile back ago. And when the package arrived this letter was enclosed as well.

[img.nr] http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/ftwnsengineer/letter.jpg [/img.nr]



What no web fare special?[:)]

Wonder if they had the 16th person travels free in a group when the first 15 pay?
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Posted by red p on Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:43 PM
Well everybody sorry about the large image. But I wanted it to be readable.

I bought some timetables off EBAY awhile back ago. And when the package arrived this letter was enclosed as well.

[img.nr] http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c218/ftwnsengineer/letter.jpg [/img.nr]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:51 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #25

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1952 advertisement in my personal collection.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . a trip . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . you’ll always . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . remember . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . The comfortable way to see . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . the most colorful part of America . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . is on anyone of Santa Fe’s . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . five famous trains between . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Chicago and California – through . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . the Southwest Indian Country . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Super Chief – Chief – El Capitan – Grand Canyon – California Ltd.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:39 AM
Hey passengerfan Al

Great stuff, as always! [tup][tup]

For those of you "looking in," you're missing out on some great back 'n forth with the subject of Classic Trains, either here or at "Our" Place where the bar is open from 6 AM 'til the last man departs ...... [swg]

Al Recommend you Post this at the bar .. the guys will love it! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:15 AM
Good Morning Tom
Can't resist it when you post something on those Pleasure domes of the Santa Fe. They were the only short domes that only had seating for eighteen the smallest number of any short dome. Although they never had the view offered by the Budd short domes or the AC&F built short domes, they were truly special as was the entire SUPER CHIEF. On each side of the center aisle of the dome was from front to rear a pair of forward facing seatrs followed by four parlor swivel seats then a pair of rear facing seats. I know of no other short dome except for the Dome sing cars of the UP that offered rear facing seats.

The SUPER CHIEF was truly the train of the stars and the Pleasure dome with its Turquiose Room a private dining room at the forward end of the car could also be used as a private cocktail lounge. When Hollywoods stars traveled the room was always for their use during meal hours or if they chose they could dine in their rooms to protect their privacy.
At other times particularly during the summer the peak travel time the Turquoise room augmented the dining car ahead as it only seated 36 per seating. Using the Turquoise room this gave them an extra twelve seats and increased dining seating to 48 per sitting. Beneath the dome was a ten seat cocktail lounge with probably one of the best supplied bars on any railroad. I have heard stories of passengers when making reservations on the SUPER CHIEF requesting liquors that were not normally stocked by the Santa Fe and when that passenger boarded the special requested liquor would be available.
I believe i mentioned it before but on one trip on the SUPER CHIEF several of us were sitting in the Observation that had been squared off by that time when one of our group suggested we have a drink. I mentioned that this car did not have a bar but that didn't stop the one who made the suggestion in the first place he found the car attendant and the next thing I knew the drinks were in front of us. I don't know how much he tipped the porter but I was favorably impressed. By that time these cars were not regularly assigned to the SUPER CONTINENTAL but were replacements when regularly assigned cars were shopped. As far as I can remember it was the only time I remember an observation on the SUPER CHIEF when I traveled on the train. The Pleasure dome on my travels on the SUPER were never crowded most passengers utilzed the lounge spaces on the train but can never remember not being able to get a seat in the dome.
I remember once while traveling eastbound on CN's SUPER CONTINENTAL my car attendant held the train for about three or four minutes extra for me while I ran to the Liquor store across the street from the depot. Needless to say he received a handsome tip upon his departing the train in Winnipeg. The train crews of the SUPER CONTINENTAL worked from either Toronto to Winnipeg or Winnipeg to Vancouver. So through passengers had two sleeping car attendants on a Vancouver - Toronto trip.

Enough of my rambling this morning.

TTFN AL
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:42 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #24

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy the Pleasure Dome only dome car between Chicago and Los Angeles


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . new Super Chief . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The restful observation lounge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . “top of the Super, next to the stars” . . .
. . . . . . is only one of many features you will enjoy on the . . . . . .
new Super Chief, the train that sets a new world standard
. . . . of travel. Daily between Chicago and Los Angeles.
. . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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