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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 16, 2005 6:26 PM
cnw4001: In 1967 or so the Afternoon Congressional was sped up to 3:20 but that was because of track upgrading in preparation for the introduction of the Metroliners. As far as I know, no other trains were sped up.

The problem, of course, with introducing high-speed rail service to the US is that you need members of Congress and a president who feel that the investment would be worth it. Every high-speed rail service that I know of was paid for by a national government, not by private enterprise.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 16, 2005 3:02 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #32

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Pullman Company from 1950:

. . . . . . . . . . The carefree way to travel today! . . . . . . . . . .
Whether you travel for business or pleasure . . . alone or with others . . . you’re taking more than a trip when you go by Pullman. You’re enjoying a relaxing change of pace that releases you from the cares and routine of the day. For Pullman is as comfortable and accommodating as the finest hotel. No other form of travel offers so many important extras – the immaculate, king-size beds . . . the privacy . . . the freshly cooked meals . . . the refreshments and pleasant conversation in the friendly club car. Whenever . . . wherever you go . . . travel by Pullman. You’ll be as safe as you are in your own home!

Your local Ticket Agent will help:
1. Provide information on routes and fares. 2. Plan your stopovers. 3. Furnish your railroad Pullman tickets. 4. Reserve a “rent-a-car” at your destination.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . means comfort, safety, privacy and sleep . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 16, 2005 8:00 AM
For CThetrains Cory

Thanx for the offer, I'll surely take you up on it. Was in KCity aboard Amtrak on Wednesday. Unfortuantely, the train was so late, that there was only time to ride through the wye for turnaround, board the KCity passengers and head back to St. Louis.

Saw the Milwaukee Road diner sitting outside along with some other fine looking passenger cars that were there in September. Also the KCS F7A is still there, but moved a bit towards the "shed." My guess is the museum folks rotate the cars in and out of the display area.

Good luck with your venture. [tup]

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Posted by Cthetrains on Friday, December 16, 2005 12:14 AM
Oh, Tom..by the way..the Milwaukee cars in KC, Mo..I've applied for a position as a volunteer at Union Station...if I get the 'job', I should be able to help with any serious research regarding this area's rail history, so if you think I may be of some help, let me know
Cory "Ruler of nothing, respected by none, HEARD BY ALL, guaranteed!!!!!"
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:53 PM
G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #1 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1937 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy the Christmas Holidays at SUN VALLEY

Opening of the New Challenger Inn

Combining economy with all the Winter Sports of Sun Valley. Modest rates for rooms – popular prices for meals – accommodations for 400 – all in a “mountain village.” Warm water swimming pool – motion picture theatre – two restaurants including unique night club – shops for all your needs.

Sun Valley Lodge

Living at its best! Continental service and comforts. A matchless cuisine. Rooms for single or double occupancy, and suites. Accommodations for 250 guests. American plan.

Nothing like it anywhere else – long, timber free ski runs, deep “powder” snow, brilliant summer sun – skiing stripped to the waist – sleighing in bright moonlight, skating, swimming in warm water open-air pools – the perfect Christmas holidays.

. . . . . . . . . . INTERCOLLEGIATE SKI MEET . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Dartmouth College – University of Washington . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . SUN VALLEY, DECEMBER 29 to JANUARY 1 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . ONLY UNION PACIFIC SERVES SUN VALLEY . . . . .

For information and Union Pacific representatives in principal cities or write or wire
. . . . . . . . . . K.M. SINGER . . . . . . . . . . W.S. BASINGER . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Gen’l Mgr. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P.T.M. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Sun Valley, . . . . . . . . . . . Union Pacific R.R. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Idaho . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Omaha, Nebr. . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE PROGRESSIVE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SERVES ALL THE WEST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


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Posted by cnw4001 on Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ForestRump

I just checked Amtrak's New York to Washington schedules. Two Acela trains take 2 hours 55 minutes, the rest take 2 hours 49 minutes. In the 1950s the fastest train from New York to Washington was the Afternoon Congressional which took 3 hours 35 minutes.

40 and 46 minutes faster is somewhat more than 15 minutes faster.


Thanks for the information, my research apparently was a bit faulty as I thought the Congressionals did better than 3+35.

I guess my real point is, it would be nice if the money was spent to upgrade the NEC so the Acela's can really run and shave even more time off the trip.

Afraid I've been spoiled by the European high speed operations.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:42 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #31

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Pullman Company from 1950:

The carefree distance between two points

Travel by Pullman is more than just a trip! It is a carefree vacation . . . relaxing overnight travel that leaves you rested and refreshed when you arrive! No highway worries . . . no driving tensions. Just sit back and enjoy Pullman’s many travel extras – the immaculate, king-size beds . . . the privacy . . .. the freshly-cooked meals . . . the refreshments and pleasant conversation in the friendly club car. Next trip, travel the carefree way . . . by Pullman! You’ll be as safe as you are in your own home!

Complete privacy! Every Pullman room accommodation has its own toilet facilities. Individually controlled heat and air-conditioning let you choose your own travel “climate” . . . and the many courteous extra services of Pullman are yours at the touch of a button.

Your local Ticket Agent will help:
1. Provide information on routes and fares.
2. Plan your stopovers.
3. Furnish your railroad Pullman tickets.
4. Reserve a “rent-a-car” at your destination.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . means comfort, safety, privacy and sleep . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:12 AM
Commentary:

The information I provide for all of my Posts on this thread have clearly identified references. Further, the Fallen Flags and Nostalgia pieces are not considered all incusive for all times. Dates have been provided where available. Also, simply by reading the headings "Principal Routes" and "Passenger Trains of Note" surely doesn't imply ALL - one must read the words. Any gripes about content, may be better handled through the source of the material rather than with me.

Certainly changes tookl place from decade to decade and year to year, perhaps even month to month. No way, no how would I be so presumptious as to "knowing it all." Not the intent. These Posts - nearly 10 pages of them - have been provided for reading enjoyment - perhaps some enlightenment, and of course to gin up a bit of dialogue.

Thanx to all who have contributed! Don't know how much longer I'll keep this thread operating, but there are few more of each left in the "well." [swg]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:21 PM
I just checked Amtrak's New York to Washington schedules. Two Acela trains take 2 hours 55 minutes, the rest take 2 hours 49 minutes. In the 1950s the fastest train from New York to Washington was the Afternoon Congressional which took 3 hours 35 minutes.

40 and 46 minutes faster is somewhat more than 15 minutes faster.
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Posted by cnw4001 on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:13 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: cnw4001

Appreciate the supplemental info these past couple of days ....... [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


Happy to add something when I've got a bit of spare time to dig around in the old timetables.

I find the slower running times with today's modern equipment "interesting." As has been noted in a number of instances the very expensive Acela's only beat the 1950's GG-1 hauled PRR trains by 15 minutes or less.
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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:24 AM
Tom, check this out. Regarding your Seabord passenger train listing, you show the Silver Comet as serving the Norfolk area, but it at least at one time, this service had a name of its own, the Tidewater, with through coaches and sleepers, lightwieght equipment in the summer, rebuilt heavies intersperced in the winter, to both Florida and Birmingham. So you can add the Tidewater to your list. Yes, I rode it!

If memory is correct, the car swapping was done at Hamlet and at Jacksonville, with at least the winter train maintaining its integrety as the Tidewater as far as Jacksonville.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:51 AM
Good Morning nwhitley - Of course, Post away! The more the merrier as they say.

There's also a much more interactive site on this Forum called "Our" Place - check it out - the talk is of "Classic Trains" while having some fun in a cyber bar 'n grill.

By the by - I note you are new to the Forums - suggest you do some browsing of the previous pages on this thread (site) and others you visit, just to get the "flow" of what the themes are all about. Makes if far easier to join in the dialogue when you know what's been said. [tup]

You and your husband are more than welcome. [swg]

Enjoy your experience in cyber space.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:22 AM
Here it is December and this is the first I've visited this site. If not too late, my husband can share some stories from the Milwaukee Road Hiawathas and CNW 400s. Back in 1956, I knew Walter Tuohy, President of the C&O, was interested in starting autotrains in the U.S., and we had the pleasure of being aboard the pilot run on the B&O Capitol Limited (Chicago-Washington, DC) when it was brought to fruition in 1965. Let us know if you want these stories... nwhitley1@cox.net
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:32 PM
For: cnw4001

Appreciate the supplemental info these past couple of days ....... [tup]

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Posted by cnw4001 on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:26 PM
CAPITOL LIMITED
Between Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington and the East

Lv Chicago 4:00 PM CT
Ar Washington 9:30 AM ET

16 hours 30 minutes


Lv Washington 4:15 PM ET
Ar Chicago 8:30 AM CT

16 hours 45 minutes

Detroit section split at Willard, west bound and joined at Willard eastbound.

Amtrak Capitol Limited

Lv Chicago 5:35 PM CT
Ar Washington 11:59 AM ET

17 hours 24 minutes Detroit service via bus from Toledo

Lv Washington 3:55 PM ET
Ar Chicago 8:25 AM CT

17 hours 30 minutes Detroit service via bus at Toledo (get off at 4:41 AM)
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:03 AM
G'day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #30

More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Passenger RR Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956


B&O DIESEL-ELECTRIC FEATURE TRAINS

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Between Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington and the East

NATIONAL LIMITED – DIPLOMAT – METROPOLITAN
Between St. Louis, Cincinnati, Washington and the East

THE AMBASSADOR
Between Detroit, Washington and Baltimore

THE ROYAL BLUE
Between Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York

STRATA-DOME CARS*
On 3 Fine Trains

CAPITOL LIMITED – COLUMBIAN – SHENANDOAH
Chicago – Akron – Pittsburgh – Washington
Baltimore – Wilmington – Philadelphia – New York

(* In service between Chicago and Washington)

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Posted by BudKarr on Monday, December 12, 2005 3:35 PM
Hello Captain Tom!

You are at 29 Nostalgia posts and 15 Fallen Flags! That's an impressive amount of information provided for the those taking advantage of your efforts. Well done, indeed!

I noted that you were able to get a few of the onlookers to hang out over at the bar and grill, which has been rather postive, wouldn't you say?

Glad you took my recommendation to heart, but sorry that you are not getting the responses in kind. Very, very strange to my way of thinking. But then again, I too have a life away from these cyber dwellings. One only can guess at the variance in calibre of person who spends an inordinate amount of time doint precisely what I am doing. Good grief, time for me to get away from here.

See you at the bar!

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 12, 2005 3:25 PM
G'day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #29

More on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) of the Passenger RR Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956

Thrilled travelers tell us “There’s nothing like the view from B&O’s STRATA-DOME” ….. Route your passengers via B&O and they’ll sing your praises too

Passengers traveling in a B&O Strata-Dome marvel at the thrilling panorama and natural beauty of the ever-changing scenery.

FLOODLIGHTS AT NIGHT

Powerful floodlight beams provide a novel view of the landscape after dark.

This exclusive B&O service between Washington and Chicago is offered at no charge!

Strata-Dome Dieseliners between

CHICAGO – AKRON – PITTSBURGH – WASHINGTON

The Capitol Limited (All Pullman) – The Columbia (Deluxe-Coach) – The Shenandoah* (Pullman and Coach)

THROUGH SERVICE TO AND FROM BALTIMORE, WILMINGTON, PHILADELPHIA AND NEW YORK.

*On the Shenandoah, Strata-Dome is operated on alternate dates. Available only to Pullman passengers on the Shenandoah.

BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 12, 2005 12:10 PM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #15 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Baltimore & Ohio (B&O)

Headquarters: Baltimore, MD

Mileage in 1950: 10,000

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 491

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 59,152 Passenger cars – 654

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City, NJ (New York)-Baltimore, MD-Pittsburgh, PA-Chicago
Washington, DC-Point of Rocks, MD
Cumberland, MD-Cincinnati, OH-St. Louis, MO
Detroit, MI-Toledo, OH-Cincinnati
Hamilton, OH-Beardstown, IL
Pittsburgh-Buffalo & Rochester, NY
Akron-Cleveland, OH
Midland City, OH-Columbus, OH-Pittsburgh

Passenger trains of note:

Ambassador (Baltimore-Detroit)
Capitol Limited (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)
Cincinnatian (Detroit-Cincinnati; later, Baltimore-Washington-Cincinnati)
Columbian (Washington-Chicago)
Diplomat (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Metropolitan Special (Washington-St. Louis)
National Limited (Jersey City-Washington-St. Louis)
Royal Blue (Jersey City-Washington)
Shenandoah (Jersey City-Washington-Chicago)


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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:07 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #14 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Santa Fe (AT&SF)

Headquarters: Chicago, Il

Mileage:

1950: 13,074 including subsidiaries
1995: (prior to merger with Burlington Northern): 9,126

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 1,855

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars: 84,439 Passenger cars: 1,235

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Los Angeles via Kansas City, MO. and La Junta, CO
Emporia, KS-Galveston, TX via Oklahoma City, OK & Ft. Worth & Houston, TX
Emporia, KS-Dalies, NM
Barstow-Richmond, CA
Temple-Farwell, TX
Denver-LaJunta, CO
Albuquerque, NM-El Paso, TX
Dallas-Presidio, TX
Kansas City-Tulsa

Passenger trains of note:

Super Chief I(Chicago-Los Angeles)
El Capitan (Chicago-Los Angeles)
The Chief (Chicago-Los Angeles
Grand Canyon (Chicago-Los Angeles
The Scout (Chicago-Los Angeles)
San Francisco Chief (Chicago-San Francisco, CA)
Texas Chief (Chicago-Houston)
San Diegan (Los Angeles-San Diego
Tulsan (Kansas City-Tulsa)
Chicagoan (Dallas-Kansas City-Chicago)
Golden Gate (Los Angeles-San Francisco)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by cnw4001 on Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:57 PM
James Whitcomb Riley (Chicago-Cincinnati)

NYC July 15, 1956 Form 1000 (Public timetable)

Lv Cincinnati 8:30 AM ET
Ar Chiccago 1:20 PM CT Central Station Michigan Avenue and Rooselvelt Road
All Coach Seates reserved, certain reduced fare tickets not honored.

Lv Chcicago 4:20 CT
Ar Cincinnati 11:00 PM ET

Time enroute 5 hours 50 minutes.

Three other trains available each day including overnight trains in each direction.

Current Amtrak timetable.

Cardinal.....three days a week instead of daily

Lv Cincinnati 3: 05 AM ET
Ar Chicago 10:40 AM CT
Union Station

Lv Chicago 7:45 PM CT
Ar Cincinati 4:55 AM ET

Time enroute 8 hours and 35 minutes! (When on time)

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:01 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #13 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

New York Central System (NYC)

Headquarters: New York City

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 1,965 Electric: 65

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 94,115 Passenger cars: 2,905

Principal routes in 1950:

New York-Buffalo, NY-Cleveland, OH-Chicago, IL
Buffalo-Detroit, MI-Porter, IN (Chicago)
Boston, MA-Albany, NY
Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinnati, OH
Gallion, OH-St. Louis, MO
Chicago-Indianapolis, IN-Cincinnati
Indianapolis-Peoria, IL
Cleveland-Pittsburgh, PA
Detroit-Toledo, OH-Springfield, OH
Toledo-Columbus, OH-Charleston, WVA
Utica, NY-Montreal, QC

Passenger trains of note:

Chicagoan (New York-Cleveland-Chicago)
Chicago Mercury (Chicago-Detroit)
Cincinnati Mercury (Cleveland-Cincinnati)
Cleveland Mercury (Detroit-Cleveland)
Cleveland Limited (New York-Cleveland)
Commodore Vanderbilt (New York-Chicago)
Detroiter (New York-Detroit)
Detroit Mercury (Cleveland-Detroit)
Empire State Express (New York-Buffalo)
James Whitcomb Riley (Chicago-Cincinnati)
Knickerbocker (New York-St. Louis)
Lake Shore Limited (New York-Cleveland-Chicago)
The Michigan (Chicago-Detroit)
Motor City Special (Chicago-Detroit)
New England States (Chicago-Cleveland-Boston)
Ohio State Limited (New York-Cleveland-Cincinnati)
Pacemaker (New York-Cleveland-Chicago)
Southwestern Limited (New York-St. Louis)
20th Century Limited (New York Chicago)
Twilight Limited (Chicago-Detroit)
Wolverine (Chicago-Detroit-New York)


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 9, 2005 11:06 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #12 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR)

Headquarters: Philadelphia, PA

Mileage:

1950: 10,000
1962: 9,756

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 2,402
Electric: 254

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 139,356 Passenger cars: 3,546

Principal routes in 1950:

Philadelphia-Harrisburg-Pittsburgh, PA
New York-Washington, DC
Pittsburgh-Fort Wayne, IN-Chicago, IL
Pittsburgh-Indianapolis, IN-St. Louis, MO
Pittsburgh-Cleveland, OH
Baltimore, MD-Buffalo, NY
Wilmington, DE-Norfolk, VA
Chicago-Columbus, OH
Logansport, IN-Louisville, KY
Logansport-Cincinnati
Fort Wayne, IN-Mackinaw City, MI
Columbus-Toledo, OH-Detroit, MI

Passenger trains of note:

Broadway Limited (New York-Chicago)
Clevelander (New York-Cleveland)
Cincinnati Limited (New York-Cincinnati)
Colonial (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
Congressional (New York-Washington)
Duquesne (New York-Pittsburgh)
Edison (New York-Washington)
The General (New York-Chicago)
Golden Triangle (Chicago-Pittsburgh)
Jeffersonian (New York-St. Louis)
Kentuckian (Chicago-Louisville)
Liberty Limited (Washington-Chicago)
Manhattan Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Pennsylvania Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Penn Texas (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Pittsburgher (New York-Pittsburgh)
Red Arrow (New York-Detroit)
St. Louis (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Senator (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
“Spirit of St. Louis” (New York-St. Louis)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami, joint with L&N, ACL and Florida East Coast)
Trail Blazer (New York-Chicago)
Union (Chicago-Columbus, OH)

Of note: In the New York-Florida market, the PRR was a forwarder for many connecting passenger trains from other roads.


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 8, 2005 11:05 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #11 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Denver & Rio Grande Western (D&RGW) [img]

Headquarters: Denver, CO

Mileage:

1950: 2,413
1995: 2,238 including trackage rights routes

Rolling stock as of 1963: Freight cars – 12,610 Passenger cars – 96

Principal lines in 1950:

Denver-Bond, CO-Salt Lake City, UT
Denver-Pueblo-Dotsero, CO
Pueblo-Trinidad, CO
Walsenburg-Alamosa, CO
Alamosa-Durango, CO
Salida-Gunnison, CO
Mears Junction-Alamosa
Alamosa-Creede, CO
Bond-Craig, CO
Grand Junction-Ouray, CO
Thistle-Marysvale, UT
Salt Lake City-Ogden, UT

Passenger trains of note:

California Zephyr (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & Western Pacific)
Colorado Eagle (St. Louis-Pueblo-Denver, joint w/MoPac)
Exposition Flyer (Chicago-Oakland, joint w/Burlington & WP, replaced by California Zephyr in 1949)
Mountaineer (Denver-Montrose, CO, via Moffat Tunnel)
Panoramic (Denver-Ogden)
Prospector (Denver-Salt Lake City)
Rio Grande Zephyr (Denver-Ogden [later cut back to Salt Lake City], replaced California Zephyr 1970-83)
Royal Gorge (Denver-Pueblo-Ogden)
San Juan (Alamosa-Durango, CO)
The Silverton (Durango-Silverton, CO)
The Yampa Valley (Denver-Craig)

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005 8:17 PM
G'day!

PASSENGER RR NOSTALGIA/FALLEN FLAG SUPPLEMENTAL INFO

More on the Canadian National Railways of the Passenger RR Fallen Flags from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956

Canadian National Railways

Canadian National

Super Continental - Dieselized all the way

Faster daily service between

MONTREAL - OTTAWA - TORONTO - WINNIPEG - SASKATOON - EDMONTON - JASPER - VANCOUVER

No Extra Fare

Westward - Read down ..................................................Eastward - Read up
Example..........Daily ......................................................... Daily .........Example

Sunday............4 00 P.M. ..... Lv. Montreal ... E.T. .. Ar. ...5 05 P.M. .... Wednesday
Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Ar. Ottawa........E.T....Lv......3 05 P.M. .....Wednesday
Sunday............6 10 P.M. .... Lv Ottawa.........E.T. ..Ar. ....2 50 P.M. .... Wednesday

Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Lv. Toronto.......E.T. ..Ar. .....2 15 P.M. ... Wednesday

Monday..........10 25 P.M. ....Ar. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Lv. .....8 20 A.M. ... Tuesday
Monday..........10 50 P.M. ... Lv. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Ar. ....7:55 A.M. .... Tuesday
Tuesday......... 8 00 A.M. ... Ar. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Lv. ....8 50 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........8 10 A.M. ....Lv. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Ar. ....8 40 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........3 10 P.M. ...Ar. Edmonton......M.T. ..Lv. ...1 50 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........3 25 P.M. ...Lv. Edmonton......M.T. ..Ar. ...1 35 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........8:55 P.M. ...Ar. Jasper............P.T. ..Lv. ...8 15 A.M. .....Monday
Tuesday..........8 05 P.M. ...Lv. Jasper............P.T. ..Ar. .. 7 05 A.M. .....Monday
Wednesday....1 05 P.M. ....Ar. Vancouver .... P.T. ..Lv. .. 2 45 P.M. .... Sunday

Through deluxe coaches with reclining seats between Montreal and Toronto and Vancouver.
Parlor Car between Montreal and Ottawa only.
Dining Room Refreshment Lounge Car between Toronto and Winnipeg.
Coffee Shop Car between Toronto-Capreol.
............................... between Montreal-Vancouver (until May 31).
............................... between Winnipeg-Vancouver (first trip June 2).
Dining Car between Winnipeg and Vancouver.
Tourist Sleeping Cars between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Drawing room, compartment, double bedrooms, duplex roomette, lower and upper berth accommodation available in latest type standard sleepers between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Attractive lounge accommodation for standard sleeping car passengers.

NOTE: Perhaps our Canadian friends can elaborate on what appears to be discrepancies with the time zones. In current times, Saskatoon is on Central Time and Jasper is Mountain Time. Don't know why in 1956 the time zones were listed this way ... Perhaps the zone maps were different back then. Anyone know [?]

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 7, 2005 8:38 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #10 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Canadian National Railways (passenger operations)

Headquarters: Montreal, Quebec

Mileage as of 1955: 24,220

Locomotives as of 1963:

Steam: 0
Diesel: 2,125
Electric: 27

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars– 105,177 Passenger cars: 2,808

Principal routes in 1955:

Halifax, NS-Montreal, QC (two routes)
Halifax-Sydney, NS
St. John’s-Port aux Basques, NL (42” gauge)
Montreal-Portland, ME (via subsidiary Grand Trunk Railway in U.S.)
Montreal-New London, CT (via subsidiary Central Vermont in U.S.)
Quebec City-Montreal-Toronto-Windsor & Sarnia, ON-Detroit, MI & Chicago (via subsidiary GTW in U.S.)
Toronto-North Bay, ON
Toronto-Niagara Falls, ON
Quebec City-Winnipeg, MB
Montreal-Winnipeg
Winnipeg-Churchill, MB
Winnipeg-Duluth, MN (via subsidiary Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific in U.S.)
Winnipeg-Vancouver, BC
Winnipeg-Regina, SK
Saskatoon, SK-Calgary, AB
Calgary-Edmonton, AB
Jasper, AB-Prince Rupert, BC

Passenger trains of note in 1955:

Super Continental (Montreal & Toronto-Vancouver)
Continental Limited (Montreal & Toronto-Vancouver)
Ocean Limited (Montreal-Halifax)
Scotian (Montreal-Halifax)
Caribou (St. John’s-Port aux Basques)
International Limited (Montreal-Toronto-Chicago)
Inter-City Limited (Montreal-Toronto-Detroit & Chicago)
Northland (Toronto-North Bay & Timmins & Kapuskasing, ON)
Maple Leaf (Toronto-Philadelphia & New York City)
Montrealer & Washingtonian (Montreal-New York City-Washington, DC)
Ambassador (Montreal-Boston)
Gull (Boston-Portland, ME-Saint John, NB-Halifax)

Of note:
Montreal & Toronto-Chicago route with GTW Detroit & Port Huron-Chicago.
Toronto-Philadelphia & New York route with Lehigh Valley, Niagara Falls, NY-New York City.
Montreal-New York City & Boston & Washington route with CV, B&M, NH and PRR.
Halifax-Boston route with CP, Maine Central and B&M.
Toronto-Timmins & Kapuskasing route with Ontario Northland Railway.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 7:41 PM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #9 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Delaware & Hudson (D&H)

Headquarters: Albany, NY

Route mileage in 1950: 765 – 2000: 1,381

Locomotives in 1963: Diesels – 153

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 9,394 Passenger cars – 55

Principal lines in 1950:

Albany-Troy-Mechanicville, NY – Montreal, QC (Napierville Junction Railway trackage Rouses Point, NY-Montreal)
Binghamton-Oswego, NY (Erie trackage)
Nineveh, NY-Wilkes Barre, PA
Hudson-Buttonwood Yard, PA
Delanson-Mechanicville, NY
Schenectady-Balston Spa, NY
Saratoga Springs-Tahawus, NY (U.S. Government trackage North Creek-Tahawus)
Troy-Castleton, VT (B&M trackage Troy-Eagle Bridge, NY)
Whitehall, NY-Rutland, VT
Plattsburg-Lyon Mountain, NY
Plattsburg-Ausable Forks, NY
Fort Ticonderoga-Ticonderoga, NY
Oneonta-Cooperstown, NY
Cobleskill-Cherry Valley, NY

Using CONRAIL trackage in 1976:

Oswego-Buffalo & Niagara Falls, NY
Wilkes Barre-Harrisburg,PA-Washington, DC
Scranton-Allentown, PA-Newark, NJ
Allentown-Philadelphia

Passenger trains of note:

Laurentian (New York-Albany-Montreal)
Montreal Limited (New York-Albany-Montreal)

Of note:
All cars south of Albany handled by NYC.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Cthetrains on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:30 AM
heyheyhey..don't forget the MKT..they ran passenger service until somewhere in the mid 1900's....

the Texas Special, which they shared with Frisco Lines

nevermind..Fallen Flag #3...I musta missed a page in my skimming..[xx(]
Cory "Ruler of nothing, respected by none, HEARD BY ALL, guaranteed!!!!!"
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:01 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Seaboard Air Line (SAL)

Headquarters: Norfolk, VA

Route mileage in 1950: 4,146

Locomotives in 1963: Diesels – 531

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars - 27,560; Passenger cars – 446

Principal routes in 1950:

Richmond, VA-Homestead, FL (Miami) via Columbia, SC & Jacksonville & Auburndale, FL
Coleman-St. Petersburg, Fl
Hamlet, NC-Savannah, GA
Norlina, NC-Norfolk
Hamlet-Birmingham, AL
Savannah, GA – Montgomery, AL
Baldwin-Chattahoochee, FL
Baldwin-Gross, FL (bypass of Jacksonville)
Waldo-Sulphur Springs, FL
Plant City-Fort Myers, FL
Durant-Venice, FL
Hull-Port Boca Grande, FL
Valrico-West Lake Wales, FL

Passenger trains of note:

Cotton Blossom (Washington, DC-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (Jacksonville-New Orleans)
New York-Florida Limited (New York-Miami)
Orange Blossom Special (New York-Miami)
Palmland (New York-Tampa & Boca Grande, FL)
Silver Meteor (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg & Venice & Ft. Myers)
Silver Comet (New York- & Portsmouth, VA-Birmingham)
Silver Star (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg & Venice & Boca Grande, FL)
Sunland (Washington & Portsmouth-Miami & Venice; formerly Southern States Special, Sun Queen & Camellia)
Suwannee River Special (Cincinnati-Florida destinations)

Of note: SAL passenger trains were handled by RF&P & PRR north of Richmond.
L&N handled the Gulf Wind west of Chattahoochee.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 5, 2005 8:27 PM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #7 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Atlantic Coast Line (ACL)

Headquarters: Jacksonville, FL

Route mileage in 1950: 5,528

Locomotives in 1963 (all diesel-electric):

Freight: 170
Passenger: 62
Dual mode (freight/passenger): 234
Switchers: 119

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 28,847; Passenger cars – 405

Principal routes in 1950:

Richmond, VA-Tampa, FL, via Jacksonville and Orlando.
Wilson-Wilmington, NC
Wilmington-Pee Dee (Florence) SC
Winston-Salem, NC-Florence
Florence-Atlanta
Brunswick, GA-Montgomery, AL
Birmingham, AL-Waycross, GA
Albany-Dunnellon, FL
Jacksonville-St. Petersburg, FLA via Gainesville, Leesburg and Trilby
Dupont, GA-Naples, FL

Passenger trains of note:

East Coast Champion (New York-Miami)
West Coast Champion (New York-Tampa & St. Petersburg & Sarasota)
Tamiami Champion – Predecessor of East and West Coast Champions
Florida Special (New York-Miami & St. Petersburg)
Miamian (Washington-Miami)
Vacationer (New York-Miami)
Havana Special (New York-Key West, FL)
Palmetto (New York-Savannah & Augusta & Wilmington)
Everglades (New York-Jacksonville)
Gulf Coast Special (New York-Tampa & Ft. Myers & St. Petersburg; formerly Havana Special)

Of note: North of Richmond, RF&P and PRR handled passenger trains.
South of Jacksonville, FEC handled trains bound for Miami and Key West.
SAL handled trains headed for Miami south of Auburndale, FL in 1963.

Other carrier’s trains destined to Florida, such as the City of Miami – South Wind – Flamingo – Dixie Limited – Dixie Flyer – Seminole and Southland were combined with named ACL trains.

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo

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