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Posted by cnw4001 on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:13 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: cnw4001

Appreciate the supplemental info these past couple of days ....... [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


Happy to add something when I've got a bit of spare time to dig around in the old timetables.

I find the slower running times with today's modern equipment "interesting." As has been noted in a number of instances the very expensive Acela's only beat the 1950's GG-1 hauled PRR trains by 15 minutes or less.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:21 PM
I just checked Amtrak's New York to Washington schedules. Two Acela trains take 2 hours 55 minutes, the rest take 2 hours 49 minutes. In the 1950s the fastest train from New York to Washington was the Afternoon Congressional which took 3 hours 35 minutes.

40 and 46 minutes faster is somewhat more than 15 minutes faster.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:12 AM
Commentary:

The information I provide for all of my Posts on this thread have clearly identified references. Further, the Fallen Flags and Nostalgia pieces are not considered all incusive for all times. Dates have been provided where available. Also, simply by reading the headings "Principal Routes" and "Passenger Trains of Note" surely doesn't imply ALL - one must read the words. Any gripes about content, may be better handled through the source of the material rather than with me.

Certainly changes tookl place from decade to decade and year to year, perhaps even month to month. No way, no how would I be so presumptious as to "knowing it all." Not the intent. These Posts - nearly 10 pages of them - have been provided for reading enjoyment - perhaps some enlightenment, and of course to gin up a bit of dialogue.

Thanx to all who have contributed! Don't know how much longer I'll keep this thread operating, but there are few more of each left in the "well." [swg]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:42 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #31

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Pullman Company from 1950:

The carefree distance between two points

Travel by Pullman is more than just a trip! It is a carefree vacation . . . relaxing overnight travel that leaves you rested and refreshed when you arrive! No highway worries . . . no driving tensions. Just sit back and enjoy Pullman’s many travel extras – the immaculate, king-size beds . . . the privacy . . .. the freshly-cooked meals . . . the refreshments and pleasant conversation in the friendly club car. Next trip, travel the carefree way . . . by Pullman! You’ll be as safe as you are in your own home!

Complete privacy! Every Pullman room accommodation has its own toilet facilities. Individually controlled heat and air-conditioning let you choose your own travel “climate” . . . and the many courteous extra services of Pullman are yours at the touch of a button.

Your local Ticket Agent will help:
1. Provide information on routes and fares.
2. Plan your stopovers.
3. Furnish your railroad Pullman tickets.
4. Reserve a “rent-a-car” at your destination.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . means comfort, safety, privacy and sleep . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by cnw4001 on Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ForestRump

I just checked Amtrak's New York to Washington schedules. Two Acela trains take 2 hours 55 minutes, the rest take 2 hours 49 minutes. In the 1950s the fastest train from New York to Washington was the Afternoon Congressional which took 3 hours 35 minutes.

40 and 46 minutes faster is somewhat more than 15 minutes faster.


Thanks for the information, my research apparently was a bit faulty as I thought the Congressionals did better than 3+35.

I guess my real point is, it would be nice if the money was spent to upgrade the NEC so the Acela's can really run and shave even more time off the trip.

Afraid I've been spoiled by the European high speed operations.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:53 PM
G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #1 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1937 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy the Christmas Holidays at SUN VALLEY

Opening of the New Challenger Inn

Combining economy with all the Winter Sports of Sun Valley. Modest rates for rooms – popular prices for meals – accommodations for 400 – all in a “mountain village.” Warm water swimming pool – motion picture theatre – two restaurants including unique night club – shops for all your needs.

Sun Valley Lodge

Living at its best! Continental service and comforts. A matchless cuisine. Rooms for single or double occupancy, and suites. Accommodations for 250 guests. American plan.

Nothing like it anywhere else – long, timber free ski runs, deep “powder” snow, brilliant summer sun – skiing stripped to the waist – sleighing in bright moonlight, skating, swimming in warm water open-air pools – the perfect Christmas holidays.

. . . . . . . . . . INTERCOLLEGIATE SKI MEET . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Dartmouth College – University of Washington . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . SUN VALLEY, DECEMBER 29 to JANUARY 1 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . ONLY UNION PACIFIC SERVES SUN VALLEY . . . . .

For information and Union Pacific representatives in principal cities or write or wire
. . . . . . . . . . K.M. SINGER . . . . . . . . . . W.S. BASINGER . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Gen’l Mgr. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P.T.M. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Sun Valley, . . . . . . . . . . . Union Pacific R.R. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Idaho . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Omaha, Nebr. . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE PROGRESSIVE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SERVES ALL THE WEST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Cthetrains on Friday, December 16, 2005 12:14 AM
Oh, Tom..by the way..the Milwaukee cars in KC, Mo..I've applied for a position as a volunteer at Union Station...if I get the 'job', I should be able to help with any serious research regarding this area's rail history, so if you think I may be of some help, let me know
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 16, 2005 8:00 AM
For CThetrains Cory

Thanx for the offer, I'll surely take you up on it. Was in KCity aboard Amtrak on Wednesday. Unfortuantely, the train was so late, that there was only time to ride through the wye for turnaround, board the KCity passengers and head back to St. Louis.

Saw the Milwaukee Road diner sitting outside along with some other fine looking passenger cars that were there in September. Also the KCS F7A is still there, but moved a bit towards the "shed." My guess is the museum folks rotate the cars in and out of the display area.

Good luck with your venture. [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 16, 2005 3:02 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #32

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this advertisement regarding the Pullman Company from 1950:

. . . . . . . . . . The carefree way to travel today! . . . . . . . . . .
Whether you travel for business or pleasure . . . alone or with others . . . you’re taking more than a trip when you go by Pullman. You’re enjoying a relaxing change of pace that releases you from the cares and routine of the day. For Pullman is as comfortable and accommodating as the finest hotel. No other form of travel offers so many important extras – the immaculate, king-size beds . . . the privacy . . . the freshly cooked meals . . . the refreshments and pleasant conversation in the friendly club car. Whenever . . . wherever you go . . . travel by Pullman. You’ll be as safe as you are in your own home!

Your local Ticket Agent will help:
1. Provide information on routes and fares. 2. Plan your stopovers. 3. Furnish your railroad Pullman tickets. 4. Reserve a “rent-a-car” at your destination.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . means comfort, safety, privacy and sleep . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 16, 2005 6:26 PM
cnw4001: In 1967 or so the Afternoon Congressional was sped up to 3:20 but that was because of track upgrading in preparation for the introduction of the Metroliners. As far as I know, no other trains were sped up.

The problem, of course, with introducing high-speed rail service to the US is that you need members of Congress and a president who feel that the investment would be worth it. Every high-speed rail service that I know of was paid for by a national government, not by private enterprise.
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Posted by cnw4001 on Friday, December 16, 2005 7:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ForestRump

cnw4001: In 1967 or so the Afternoon Congressional was sped up to 3:20 but that was because of track upgrading in preparation for the introduction of the Metroliners. As far as I know, no other trains were sped up.

The problem, of course, with introducing high-speed rail service to the US is that you need members of Congress and a president who feel that the investment would be worth it. Every high-speed rail service that I know of was paid for by a national government, not by private enterprise.


Correct on that.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:59 AM
G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #2 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1948 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . HOLIDAY HOMECOMING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

There’s nothing quite so pleasant as coming home again . . . Especially when it’s “home for Christmas” . . . and when you take the train!

This is the happy season when Pennsylvania Railroad’s great fleets of trains between East and West, North and South, assume a particularly festive air.

By Pullman, by coach, joyous families are going to visit the folks at home – carefree, or comfortable, relaxed as they speed on their way.

For your holiday travels Pennsylvania Railroad offers a wide choice of daily trains . . . . conveniently scheduled to fit your plans.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pennsylvania Railroad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy!

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:22 PM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #16 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Boston & Maine (B&M) – (passenger ops)

Headquarters: Boston, MA

Mileage:

1950: 1,700 1995: 1,350

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 235

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 5,490 Passenger – 155

Principal routes in 1950:

Boston-Dover, MA-Portland, ME
Boston-White River Junction, VT
Boston, MA-Troy, NY
Boston-Portsmouth, NH-Portland, ME
Springfield, MA-Berlin, NH
Worcester-Lowell Junction, MA
Worcester-Gardner, MA
South Ashburnham, MA-Bellows Falls, VT
Dover, NH-Intervale, NH

Passenger trains of note:

Alouette (Boston-Montreal, QC)
Ambassador (New York & Boston-Montreal)
Cheshire (Boston-White River Junction)
Day White Mountains (New York-Berlin, NH)
Flying Yankee (Boston-Bangor, ME
Green Mountain Flyer (Boston-Montreal
The Gull (Boston-Halifax, NS)
Kennebec (Boston-Portland-Bangor)
Minute Man (Boston-Troy, NY)
Montrealer & Washingtonian (Washington-Montreal)
Mountaineer (Boston-Littleton & Bethlehem, NH)
Pine Tree (Boston-Portland-Bangor)
Red Wing (Boston-Montreal)
State of Maine (New York-Portland)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:33 AM
G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #3 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . THE PULLMAN COMPANY . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1948 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . Christmas Cargo . . . . . . . . .

They’ll be home for Christmas! There are miles of snow and mountains ahead. But this family will spend their night before Christmas snug and secure in their Pullman compartment. They bring gifts for her folks back home. But his greatest gift to that proud Grandfather and Grandmother will be the sight of their first grandchild.

He’ll be home for Christmas! He’s a hard working trouble-shooter for his company, and business almost kept him away for Christmas. But there’ll be no disappointments in this father’s house tomorrow morning. Traveling Pullman, he and his presents will arrive safe and sound right in the heart of town, just a stones’ throw from Christmas at home.

She’ll be home for Christmas! “Dear Mother and Dad,” she wrote. “I’ll be home for Christmas with a straight “A” for the quarter. Don’t you think that deserves going Pullman?” It does and it did. But more important, her mother and father will sleep as soundly tonight as she will, knowing she’s traveling the safest, most comfortable way to be home for Christmas.

. . . . . To be sure you’ll be home for Christmas . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Go Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE WAY TO GET THERE!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by cnw4001 on Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:42 AM
B & M

Ambassador (New York & Boston-Montreal)

April 28, 1957

Lv New York (GCT) 9:30 AM
Change at Greenfield to 58 for Boston
Ar Boston (Train 58) 5:30 PM 8 hours
Ar Montreal 9:40 PM 12 Hours 10 minutes

Amtrak Acella

NYP-Bostton Acella around 3 hours 27 minutes

NYP-Montreal Adirondack
Lv NYP 8:15 AM
Ar Montreal 6:30 PM

10 hours 15 minutes
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:29 PM
For cnw4001

Once again, nice supplement! [tup]

Regarding Amtrak to Montreal - man oh man, I would dearly love that run to take ONLY 12 hours 15 minutes! I've spent many hours in Montreal's Central Station looking up at the train board and seeing the Adirondack "delayed" by as many as 8 hours - honestly can't recall ever seeing it on time. Wonder what the arrival average is over a period of lets say 6 months [?] Also wonder how that stacks up with average for back in 1957, 1947 or earlier [?]

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:15 PM
Customs delays account for a lot of time. Was done more efficiently in the past.
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Posted by cnw4001 on Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For cnw4001

Once again, nice supplement! [tup]

Regarding Amtrak to Montreal - man oh man, I would dearly love that run to take ONLY 12 hours 15 minutes! I've spent many hours in Montreal's Central Station looking up at the train board and seeing the Adirondack "delayed" by as many as 8 hours - honestly can't recall ever seeing it on time. Wonder what the arrival average is over a period of lets say 6 months [?] Also wonder how that stacks up with average for back in 1957, 1947 or earlier [?]

Tom


At the risk of noting the obvious, I've given the scheduled time. As you aluded, it is not unusual to see the "real" time end up far different from the advertised.



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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:26 PM
8:15 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. is 10 hours 15 minutes, not 12 hours 15 minutes (assuming it's ever on time).
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Posted by cnw4001 on Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:27 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper

Customs delays account for a lot of time. Was done more efficiently in the past.


Another thing where the delay is clearly uncalled for, have crossed many borders many times in Europe by train and there were essentially no customs delays. Those are handled enroute.

And these crossings were before the EU dropped the border checks.

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Posted by cnw4001 on Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ForestRump

8:15 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. is 10 hours 15 minutes, not 12 hours 15 minutes (assuming it's ever on time).


Thanks, if I could count the stuff would be more accurate[8]
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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:25 PM
For cnw4001

Unlike some who frequent these Forums, mine is not to be critical nor authoritarian with regard to the efforts of others. Rather, my comments refer to only the experiences I've had. I understood what you Posted - scheduled times. Simply wondered aloud about the real time and also averages over a given period.

Surely Customs delays account for some part of an international border crossing, but when those delays get into several hours or more, well, I don't buy it. I too have crossed international borders in Europe, and perhaps I was "blessed," but they had it down to the reasonable in terms of delay. That was a long time ago and I cannot speak for today.

Enjoy the Posts - that's what they are for - and of course, the discussion's focus is on Classic Trains.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, December 19, 2005 12:42 PM
G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #4 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1949 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Give your family the . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sun . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . for Christmas . . . . . . . . . .

Go Santa Fe to Phoenix, Wickenburg, Palm Springs and Southern California

You’ve promised yourself to take the family on a winter vacation sometime.
This is the year! Why not make it your Christmas present to them?
The resorts and ranches in sunny Arizona and Southern California are
beckoning and Santa Fe’s famous fleet of fine trains to those “sun spots”
offers schedules and accommodations to suit you to a “T.”


Enjoy!

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:32 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #16 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Boston & Maine (B&M) – (passenger ops)

Headquarters: Boston, MA

Mileage:

1950: 1,700 1995: 1,350

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel: 235

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 5,490 Passenger – 155

Principal routes in 1950:

Boston-Dover, MA-Portland, ME
Boston-White River Junction, VT
Boston, MA-Troy, NY
Boston-Portsmouth, NH-Portland, ME
Springfield, MA-Berlin, NH
Worcester-Lowell Junction, MA
Worcester-Gardner, MA
South Ashburnham, MA-Bellows Falls, VT
Dover, NH-Intervale, NH

Passenger trains of note:

Alouette (Boston-Montreal, QC)
Ambassador (New York & Boston-Montreal)
Cheshire (Boston-White River Junction)
Day White Mountains (New York-Berlin, NH)
Flying Yankee (Boston-Bangor, ME
Green Mountain Flyer (Boston-Montreal
The Gull (Boston-Halifax, NS)
Kennebec (Boston-Portland-Bangor)
Minute Man (Boston-Troy, NY)
Montrealer & Washingtonian (Washington-Montreal)
Mountaineer (Boston-Littleton & Bethlehem, NH)
Pine Tree (Boston-Portland-Bangor)
Red Wing (Boston-Montreal)
State of Maine (New York-Portland)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:56 PM
G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #5 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1950 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Merry Christmas from all . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . on your New York Central overnighter . . . . . . .

WHEN GOING HOME FOR CHRISTMAS,
Delay you can’t afford.
So take the train. For, storm or rain,
I’ll still say, “ALL ABOARD!”

Your N.Y.C. Conductor

. . . . . SEASONS GREETINGS!” Come in and dine.
. . . . . No other travel has meals as fine.
. . . . . The varied, fresh-cooked food’s a treat,
. . . . . And you can sight-see while you eat!

. . . . . Your N.Y.C. Diner Crew

MY GIFT TO YOU is perfect rest.
Your big, soft bed’s the very best.
So sleep, and wake up fresh next day.
You’re traveling world’s safest way!

Your N.Y.C. Pullman Porter

. . . . . THE BEST OF HOLIDAY GOOD CHEER
. . . . . And sociability are here.
. . . . . Enjoy refreshments, relaxation
. . . . . Aboard your Central observation.

. . . . . Your N.Y.C. Club Car Steward

WHITE CHRISTMAS in a song is swell.
But when you plan to travel – well,
If you’d be certain to arrive,
Best go by train, and let me drive!

Your N.Y.C. Engineer

PLAN YOUR HOLIDAY HOME-COMING ON NEW YORK CENTRAL’S GREAT FLEET OF DIESELINERS

. . . . . . . . . . GIFT IDEA! A TRIP HOME . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Ask your New York Central . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . ticket agent about arranging . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . tickets and reservations as . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . your gift to a parent or youngster, . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . brother or sister away from home.
. . . . . . . . . .


. . . . . . . . . . New York Central . . . . . . . . . .

The Water Level-Route – You Can Sleep


Enjoy!

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Posted by Cthetrains on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:19 PM
they've just recently opened that 'exhibit', so I'm guessing they're not sure how to best display the cars yet. but as for Amtrak being late..I've been riding trains since I was only a few months old..and I only remember a few trips that could even be considered close to on time..hehehe
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:58 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #17 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Union Pacific (UP) – (passenger ops)

Headquarters: Omaha, NE

Mileage:

1950: 9,9720
1996: 22,785 (trackage rights included)

Locomotives as of 1963:

Steam: 29
Diesel: 1,347
Gas-turbine: 49

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars - 54,959 Passenger cars – 851

Principal lines in 1950:

Omaha-Ogden, UT via Cheyenne, WY
Ogden-Los Angeles via Las Vegas, NV
Julesburg-La Salle, CO
Granger, WY-Seattle, WA via Montpelier, ID & Portland, OR
Pocatello, ID-Butte, MT
Hinkle, OR-Spokane, WA
Ogden-McCammon (Pocatello)
Cheyenne & Borie-Kansas City via Denver
Topeka, KS-Gibbon, NE
Marysville, KS-Valley (Fremont) NE

Principal lines added as of 1996:

Salt Lake City, UT-Oakland, CA via Sacramento, CA
Freemont & Omaha-Chicago
Nelson, IL-St. Louis
Chicago-Green Bay via Kenosha and Oshkosh, WI
Chicago-Milwaukee via Bain, WI
Milwaukee-Minneapolis
Minneapolis-Kansas City via Des Moines, IA
Minneapolis-Omaha via Sioux City, IA
Chicago-Madison, WI

Plus the MoPac/ subsidiary lines:

Omaha-St. Louis via Kansas City
Chicago-Houston via Pana, Dupo (St. Louis) and Thebes, IL, Little Rock, AR and Palestine, TX
Houston-Brownsville, TXPalestine-Laredo, TX via Austin
Houston-New Orleans via Baton Rouge, LA
Kansas City-Little Rock, AR via Coffeyville, KS
El Paso, TX-New Orleans via Fort Worth and Shreveport, LA
Kansas City-Pueblo, CO

Passenger trains of note:

Butte Special (Salt Lake City, UT-Butte, MT)
Challenger (Chicago-Los Angeles)
City of Las Vegas (Los Angeles-Las Vegas)
City of Denver (Chicago-Denver)
City of Los Angeles (Chicago-Los Angeles via Cheyenne, WY)
City of Portland (Chicago-Portland, OR via Cheyenne [via Denver 1959-68])
City of Salina (Kansas City-Topeka-Salina, KS)
City of St. Louis (St. Louis-Los Angeles & San Francisco & Portland via Kansas City & Denver)
City of San Francisco (Chicago-Oakville, CA via Cheyenne)
Columbine (Omaha-Denver)
Forty Niner (Chicago-Oakland)
Gold Coast (Chicago-Oakland & Los Angeles)
Idahoan (Cheyenne-Portland via Pocatello)
Los Angeles Limited (Chicago-Los Angeles)
Pony Express (Kansas City-Los Angeles)
Portland Rose (Denver-Portland)
San Francisco Overland (Chicago-Oakland; after 1955 St. Louis-Oakland)
The Spokane (Spokane, WA-Portland)
Utahn (Cheyenne-Los Angeles)
Yellowstone Special (Pocatello, ID-West Yellowstone, MT)

Of note: UP trains serving Chicago operated Omaha-Chicago via C&NW until Oct 1955, then via Milwaukee Road 1955-71. All UP trains serving St. Louis operated via Wabash between St. Louis & Kansas City.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:48 PM
G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #6 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . THE PULLMAN COMPANY . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday retyped taken from a 1950 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . 3 questions to ask when you plan your Christmas trip . . . . .

1. “How safe?” – The weather is something you do
not worry about – when you go Pullman over the
Christmas holidays. Throughout your trip your
peace of mind is as weather-proof as your Pullman
Accommodations. You know you’re even safer in a
Pullman crossing the country than you are in your
Own home.

. . . . . 2. “How comfortable?” Your mind is as carefree as
. . . . . a child’s as you sleep deep and undisturbed on your
. . . . . Pullman bed. And in the morning you freshen up
. . . . . and dress at your leisure. You have complete toilet
. . . . . facilities, hot and cold running water, everything
. . . . . you need to prepare for a welcome Santa himself
. . . . . would envy.

3. “How dependable?” You get where you want to
be when you want to be there . . . when you go
Pullman. and you’re the very spirit of Christmas
as you arrive in the center of town – rested, relaxed,
Rady for fun. (Christmas season or any season,)
Go Pullman – the safe, comfortable, dependable
Answer to all your travel questions.)

. . . . . It won’t be Christmas without you. So plan
. . . . . now to go home for the holidays. And for railroad
. . . . . travel at its best, plan to go Pullman. To be sure
. . . . . of getting the reservations you want, see your
. . . . . ticket agent early.

. . . . . . . . . . . . Go Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . .

COMFORTABLE, DEPENDABLE, AND-ABOVE ALLSAFE!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:41 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #18 . . . . . . . . . .

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago & Northwestern (C&NW)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:-

1950 – 9,693
1955 – 5,000

Locomotives in 1963: Diesel – 744

Rolling stock in 1963: Freight cars – 41.383 Passenger cars – 447

Principal lines in 1950:

Chicago-Fremont & Omaha, NE
Fremont-Lander, WY
Nelson, IL-Madison, Il (St. Louis)
Chicago-Minneapolis, MN via Madison & Wyeville, WI
Milwaukee-Rapid City, SD via Wyeville, WI & Mankato, MN
Eau Claire, WI-Duluth,MN
Chicago-Milwaukee via Kenosha, WI
Chicago-Milwaukee via Bain, WI
Milwaukee-Green Bay via Fond du Lac, WI
Green Bay-Ashland, WI via Rhinelander
Green Bay-Ishpeming, MI
Powers, MI-Hurley, WI
Minneapolis & St. Paul-Omaha via Mankato
Lake Crystal (Mankato)-Des Moines, IA

Passenger trains of note:

Ashland Limited (Chicago-Green Bay-Ashland)
Dakota “400” (Chicago-Madison-Huron, SD)
Duluth-Superior Limited (Chicago-Madison-Duluth)
Flambeau “400” (Chicago-Green Bay-Ashland)
Kate Shelly “400” (Chicago-Boone, IA)
North Western Limited (Chicago-St. Paul-Minneapolis)
Peninsula “400” (Chicago-Green Bay-Ishpeming)
Shoreland “400” (Chicago-Milwaukee-Green Bay)
Twin Cities “400”(Chicago-St. Paul-Minneapolis)
Valley “400” (Chicago-Green Bay-Menominee, MI)

Of note: C&NW also was a forwarder for UP’s streamliners and Domeliners (ie: City of Los Angeles, City of Portland) between Chicago & Omaha until Oct 1955.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:56 AM
Good Morning Captain Tom!

Nice continuing effort here on this rather lonesome thread. Doesn't appear as if things have changed in the past couple of weeks. You haver far more perserverance than I.

I find this a great site to catch up on your unselfish Postings for one and all. It never ceases to amaze me just how many there are who think that this stuff is all just there for them - which of course it is! So what am I saying? I like the reciprocity theme you try to follow - kind of like the times I was socilaized in- say thank you when someone does something for you, acknowledge the other guy, and so forth. Don't see that here.

I will catch up with you at the bar with the "story" of what has been going on.

BK

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