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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:02 AM
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I haven't .... but there's a brief Post about it on page 170 over at "Our" Place ....

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Posted by cnw4001 on Thursday, November 24, 2005 6:39 PM
I rode it from Dayton to Cincinnati and watched it arrive and depart Cincinnati many times. Engine was a really rough ride at low speeds. When the trip I rode left Dayton I swore we drug the bottom of the coach going through a switch. Obviously didn't but the thing dropped and banged like the wheels had fallen off. Don't recall anything else about the trip.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:10 PM
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At least you rode it! What era are you referrring to [?] The train was instituted in 1956 by NYC, if what I have been reading is correct. It was billed as "The New York Central's Newest Train." Of course as the years passed and passenger railroads had little or no money for maintenance and repair, accounts such as yours became more commonplace, sad to say.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, November 25, 2005 8:46 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #23

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1950 advertisement in my personal collection.
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You arrive and depart Down-Town on the Santa Fe – not out in the country

When you’re gong somewhere, you want to be there when you arrive.

Go Santa Fe. You leave on your trip when you plan to leave.

You arrive relaxed, refreshed, at a convenient station right downtown, close to your hotel or office.

Travel Santa Fe and you choose accommodations to suit yourself. You get privacy as you like it. You have room to roam around when you want it. You enjoy wonderful Fred Harvey meals.

You be the judge. Go Santa Fe all the way!

Ride great trains through a great country

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


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Posted by cnw4001 on Friday, November 25, 2005 2:34 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

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At least you rode it! What era are you referrring to [?] The train was instituted in 1956 by NYC, if what I have been reading is correct. It was billed as "The New York Central's Newest Train." Of course as the years passed and passenger railroads had little or no money for maintenance and repair, accounts such as yours became more commonplace, sad to say.

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Can't say a specific year but it would have been between 1955 and 1958, 59 or 60.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, November 25, 2005 6:35 PM
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Seems like the train deteriorated rather quickly, wouldn't you agree [?]
What other "name" trains have you traveled aboard and when [?]

Back in the 40s, 50s and early 60s, any passenger railroad trips that I took were simply to get from Point A to Point B - never took the time to record or recall the names of those trains. I've spent quite a bit of time in my RR Almanac looking up schedules, trying to figure out which of the trains I may have ridden.

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Posted by cnw4001 on Friday, November 25, 2005 10:06 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

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Seems like the train deteriorated rather quickly, wouldn't you agree [?]
What other "name" trains have you traveled aboard and when [?]

Back in the 40s, 50s and early 60s, any passenger railroad trips that I took were simply to get from Point A to Point B - never took the time to record or recall the names of those trains. I've spent quite a bit of time in my RR Almanac looking up schedules, trying to figure out which of the trains I may have ridden.

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Don't know that it was so much deterioration as typical characteristic of those lightweight experiments.

Whatever year Kennedy was inagurated I rode the George Washington from Cincinnati to DC and return.

NYC's James Whitcomb Riley, Cincinnati to Chicago 58 or 59. Don't recall if the return trip was on the Riley or another.

L & N's Hummingbird between Paris (KY) and Cincinnati in the mid 50's.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, November 25, 2005 10:23 PM
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You've logged a few miles ... any stories to tell [?]

President Kennedy was inaugurated on Jan 20th, 1961.......

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Posted by cnw4001 on Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:08 AM
C & O trip was to attend the inaguration, Riley was a vacation, Xplorer was a "what's it like?", Hummingbird was transportation to/from an excursion between Paris (KY) and Frankfort. Think that portion was on the Frankfort & Cincinnati which didn't go to Cincinnati.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:39 AM
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While the RR's of old are long gone, the memories remain. That's one thing - along with a model railroad to remind me of what was - that still brings a smile to my face!

Thanx for the info .....

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:42 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #24

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1951 advertisement in my personal collection.
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Enjoy the Pleasure Dome only dome car between Chicago and Los Angeles


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . new Super Chief . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The restful observation lounge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . “top of the Super, next to the stars” . . .
. . . . . . is only one of many features you will enjoy on the . . . . . .
new Super Chief, the train that sets a new world standard
. . . . of travel. Daily between Chicago and Los Angeles.
. . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:15 AM
Good Morning Tom
Can't resist it when you post something on those Pleasure domes of the Santa Fe. They were the only short domes that only had seating for eighteen the smallest number of any short dome. Although they never had the view offered by the Budd short domes or the AC&F built short domes, they were truly special as was the entire SUPER CHIEF. On each side of the center aisle of the dome was from front to rear a pair of forward facing seatrs followed by four parlor swivel seats then a pair of rear facing seats. I know of no other short dome except for the Dome sing cars of the UP that offered rear facing seats.

The SUPER CHIEF was truly the train of the stars and the Pleasure dome with its Turquiose Room a private dining room at the forward end of the car could also be used as a private cocktail lounge. When Hollywoods stars traveled the room was always for their use during meal hours or if they chose they could dine in their rooms to protect their privacy.
At other times particularly during the summer the peak travel time the Turquoise room augmented the dining car ahead as it only seated 36 per seating. Using the Turquoise room this gave them an extra twelve seats and increased dining seating to 48 per sitting. Beneath the dome was a ten seat cocktail lounge with probably one of the best supplied bars on any railroad. I have heard stories of passengers when making reservations on the SUPER CHIEF requesting liquors that were not normally stocked by the Santa Fe and when that passenger boarded the special requested liquor would be available.
I believe i mentioned it before but on one trip on the SUPER CHIEF several of us were sitting in the Observation that had been squared off by that time when one of our group suggested we have a drink. I mentioned that this car did not have a bar but that didn't stop the one who made the suggestion in the first place he found the car attendant and the next thing I knew the drinks were in front of us. I don't know how much he tipped the porter but I was favorably impressed. By that time these cars were not regularly assigned to the SUPER CONTINENTAL but were replacements when regularly assigned cars were shopped. As far as I can remember it was the only time I remember an observation on the SUPER CHIEF when I traveled on the train. The Pleasure dome on my travels on the SUPER were never crowded most passengers utilzed the lounge spaces on the train but can never remember not being able to get a seat in the dome.
I remember once while traveling eastbound on CN's SUPER CONTINENTAL my car attendant held the train for about three or four minutes extra for me while I ran to the Liquor store across the street from the depot. Needless to say he received a handsome tip upon his departing the train in Winnipeg. The train crews of the SUPER CONTINENTAL worked from either Toronto to Winnipeg or Winnipeg to Vancouver. So through passengers had two sleeping car attendants on a Vancouver - Toronto trip.

Enough of my rambling this morning.

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:39 AM
Hey passengerfan Al

Great stuff, as always! [tup][tup]

For those of you "looking in," you're missing out on some great back 'n forth with the subject of Classic Trains, either here or at "Our" Place where the bar is open from 6 AM 'til the last man departs ...... [swg]

Al Recommend you Post this at the bar .. the guys will love it! [swg]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:51 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #25

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Santa Fe (AT&SF) from a 1952 advertisement in my personal collection.
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. . . . . . . . . . a trip . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . you’ll always . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . remember . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . The comfortable way to see . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . the most colorful part of America . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . is on anyone of Santa Fe’s . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . five famous trains between . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Chicago and California – through . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . the Southwest Indian Country . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Super Chief – Chief – El Capitan – Grand Canyon – California Ltd.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Santa Fe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by red p on Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:43 PM
Well everybody sorry about the large image. But I wanted it to be readable.

I bought some timetables off EBAY awhile back ago. And when the package arrived this letter was enclosed as well.

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Posted by cnw4001 on Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ftwNSengineer

Well everybody sorry about the large image. But I wanted it to be readable.

I bought some timetables off EBAY awhile back ago. And when the package arrived this letter was enclosed as well.

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What no web fare special?[:)]

Wonder if they had the 16th person travels free in a group when the first 15 pay?
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 28, 2005 7:23 AM
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That's quite a "find," something worth hanging on to .... Just curious, did you mean to Post this over at the bar [?]

For: cnw4001 Sure, they had all kinds of "freebies" during PC's "run." Yeah - right. They were hangin' on for dear life .... good tongue in cheek. Wonder what kinda "group rate" one gets with Amtrak [?]

Later!

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Posted by red p on Monday, November 28, 2005 7:48 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

For: ftwNSengineer

That's quite a "find," something worth hanging on to .... Just curious, did you mean to Post this over at the bar [?]


Tom[4:-)][oX)]


No, I put it over here because its on the subject of passenger trains.
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Posted by cnw4001 on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:14 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

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That's quite a "find," something worth hanging on to .... Just curious, did you mean to Post this over at the bar [?]

For: cnw4001 Sure, they had all kinds of "freebies" during PC's "run." Yeah - right. They were hangin' on for dear life .... good tongue in cheek. Wonder what kinda "group rate" one gets with Amtrak [?]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

It's not so much a feebie as a standard practice in the travel industry. When a consolidator books 15 paid seats they get a 16th seat free. Airlines and other modes used (may still use) the same promotion. Travel agencies used these seats to send their representative with the group on a "guided " tour.

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:19 AM
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Ohhhhhhh - okay! I think the guys at the bar would appreciate it as well.

For: cnw4001

Live 'n learn. Thought you were makin' a funny. I have no experience with the travel industry (as you refer to it), which of course is obvious.

Later!

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Posted by red p on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:36 AM
I just thought the ticket price from Det. to N.Y. was interesting. of course that letter is almost 40 years old [swg]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, November 28, 2005 8:54 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #26

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Chicago, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad (The Milwaukee Road) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains
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”Gee, Daddy, they had a private car just for us ladies.”

That’s right, young lady. There is a combination Touralux-coach, with 8 berth sections and 24 reserved coach seats exclusively for women and children on The Milwaukee Roads OLMYPIAN HIAWATHA.

The tastefully decorated Touralux sleeping cars have individually lighted and air conditioned berths. Yet berth cost and fare on a round trip between Chicago and Seattle is about $37 less than in standard sleepers.

You can travel in comfortable, reclining chair coaches . . . for less than 2 cents a mile . . . round trip between Chicago and Seattle only $76.20 plus tax.

While the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA offers these unique advantages for the thrifty, it also provides de luxe Pullman accommodations. No matter what your choice, you enjoy fine food, friendly service and a fast schedule of 45 hours between Chicago and the Pacific north coast over a gloriously scenic route.

You can go to California via Seattle-Tacoma at little or no added rail fare. Ask your local railroad agent, or write: F. N. Hicks, Passenger Traffic Manager, 708 Union Station, Chicago 6, Illinois.

. . . . . . . . . .OLYMPIAN Hiawatha
. . . . . . . . . . . . Daily service between
. . . . . . . . .
CHICAGO-MILWAUKEE-TWIN CITIES –MILES CITY-BUTTE-SPOKANE-SEATTLE-TACOMA

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad – THE MILWAUKEE ROAD


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Posted by cnw4001 on Monday, November 28, 2005 1:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

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Live 'n learn. Thought you were makin' a funny. I have no experience with the travel industry (as you refer to it), which of course is obvious.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]


Actually a little of both, was humor about the web price but the group plan was an actual operating practice.

Probably still is.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:13 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #27

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

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Something new for veteran travelers THROUGH SEPT. 29TH

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

For a limited time only
AEROTRAIN CLEVELAND-CHICAGO

This much-talked about, lightweight train offers a new experience in travel – provides fast, conveniently scheduled coach service between Cleveland and Chicago . . . with many attractive New York Central features.

* Hostess service
* Seat service for light meals from a rolling buffet
* Separate bar car
* Air cooled
* Reclining contour seats

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Standard Time) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Train #201 – Lv. Cleveland 6:35 AM – Ar. Chicago 12:15 PM
Train #200 – Lv. Chicago 4:00 Pm – Ar. Cleveland 10:45 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . Also serving 12 cities in between . . . . . . . . . .



Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by BudKarr on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:50 PM
Good Day Captain Tom,

Just checking in from Alberta and wanted to see how things are going on your "other" thread. Still pretty much the same with you providing some extremely interesting material, but not getting very much in return.

Well, I have the benefit of having seen your work over at the bar and think that you have really extended the effort quite well here.

Traveled the "Canadian" form Jasper to Vancouver and back within the week. I discussed it in more detail at the bar.

A fine train that Via Rail operates and perhaps the last of the streamliners left in North America. Only the locomotives make one realizes that the train is not quite the same as when it rolled under the Canadian Pacific flag. Well, there are other differences of course - different right of way and so forth. Those F40PH locomotives are just fine as power units, but they do not lend themselves very well to the asthetics expected of a streamlliner.

Enough. I am about to lose my connection up here in high country.

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:56 AM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #28

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

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Extra service at no extra fare!

Route your passengers on the Central’s newest train

OHIO XPLORER CLEVELAND-CINCINNATI

Built for the Central by Pullman-Standard, the beautiful, lightweight all-coach Xplorer brings a new look to American railroading. Travelers will appreciate being introduced to this train and its convenient schedule.

*Hostess service
*Seat service for light meals from a rolling buffet
*Air cooled
*Reclining contour seats
*Separate bar-lounge car

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Standard Time) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Train #421 – Lv. Cleveland 6:45 AM – Ar. Cincinnati 12:15 PM
Train #422 – Lv. Cincinnati 1:45 PM – Ar Cleveland 7:15 PM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Also serving 8 cities in between . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD . . . . .



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Posted by BudKarr on Thursday, December 1, 2005 9:25 AM
Good Day Captain Tom,

Just wondering, are you planning on posting your passenger train fallen flags on this thread? That might shake a few out of the trees.

Thank you for the email response and I will see you at the bar.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 1, 2005 10:27 AM
G'day BK

Sorry I missed you yesterday - I was at the bar and just didn't check this thread very closely. Glad you got my email way up there in Alberta's high country. [swg]

Passenger Fallen Flags, eh [?] A thought. This thread isn't much on two-way dialogue, but if you check out the numbers for those looking at it, seems to be doing well.

Given it's a new month - perhaps I'll try something a bit different.

Stay tuned .......

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, December 1, 2005 11:57 AM
G'day!

Here are some RR heralds of roads that used to run passenger trains. Only two showing on this list still do .... they should be easy to find.

This is NOT an all inclusive list, just one of roads that I find interesting ....



Enjoy!

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, December 2, 2005 8:54 AM
G'day!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Passenger RR Fallen Flag #1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Another slow day and a good time to Post a bit of info regarding a Passenger RR Fallen Flag - The Southern Pacific (SP) : (from: Classic American Railroads)
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Headquarters: San Francisco, CA

Mileage:

1950: 15,039 (including subsidiary St. Louis-Southwestern)
1955: 178,340 (including subsidiaries, SW, SPCSL, and D&RGW)

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 2,096

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars 77,401 - Passenger cars: 1,002

Principal lines as of 1950:

Los Angeles-San Francisco via San Jose
San Jose-Ogden, Utah
Davis, CA-Portland, OR, via Chemult and Eugene, OR
Eugene-Black Butte via Roseburg, OR
Sacramento-Burbank (LA) via Bakersfield
Lathrop-Martinez, CA
LA-New Orleans via Phoenix, AZ
El Paso, TX-Tucumcari, NM
Galveston-Dallas/Denison, TX via Houston and Hearne
Rosenburg-Brownsville, TX
San Antonio-Corpus Christi, TX
Houston-Shreveport, LA
St. Louis-Dallas/Ft. Worth (SSW)
Memphis, TN-Brinkley, AR
Mt. Pleasant-Waco, TX (SSW)
Lewisville, AK-Shreveport, LA (SSW)

Principal added lines as of 1996:

Tucumcari-St. Louis via Kansas City
St. Louis-Chicago via Bloomington, IL
Kansas City-Chicago via Quincy, IL (trackage rights on BNSF)
Kansas City-Chicago via Ft. Madison, IA (trackage rights on BNSF)
Ogden-Pueblo, CO via Salt Lake City, UT and Salida, CO
Dotsero-Pueblo, CO via Grandby and Denver
Pueblo-Kansas City via Salinas, KS (trackage rights on UP)

Notable passenger trains:

Argonault (LA-New Orleans)
Cascade (Oakland-Portland)
City of San Francisco (Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW) – Milwaukee Road after 1955)
Coast Daylight (San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo; for a time also known as Morning Daylight)
Del Monte (San Francisco-Monterey, CA)
Golden State Limited (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Hustler (Houston-Dallas)
Imperial (LA-Chicago via Tucumcari; joint with Rock Island)
Lark (Oakland/San Francisco-LA via San Luis Obispo)
Owl (San Francisco-LA via Bakersfield)
Sacramento Daylight (Sacramento-LA via Bakersfield)
San Francisco Overland (Until Oct 1955, Oakland-Chicago via Ogden; joint with UP and C&NW; after 1955 Oakland-St. Louis joint with the Wabash Railroad)
San Joaquin Daylight (Oakland-LA via Bakersfield)
Shasta Daylight (Oakland-Portland)
Starlight (San Francisco-LA)
Sunbeam (Houston-Dallas)
Sunset Limited (Initially San Francisco-New Orleans via San Joaquin Valley; later cut back to LA-New Orleans).

Enjoy! [tup]

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