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Posted by BudKarr on Friday, January 6, 2006 9:29 AM
Hello Captain Tom,

I see you are still at it on this thread! Also noticed a few contributions, one very substantive indeed.

As usual, "good stuff" and I'll try to provide you with something before departing for my next round of trips (explained a bit more at the bar).

Later!

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Posted by BudKarr on Friday, January 6, 2006 3:28 PM
Good Afternoon Captain Tom,

Here's something that I provided at the bar several months back, but may have some relevance here. These European locomotives powered passenger trains as well as freights:

Some German locomotive data:

First – the Royal Bavarian State Railway (KBStB), 1908

Class S 3/6 4-6-2 (1923 series)

Axleload: 39,500lb (18t)

Cylinders, HP (2) 16.7 X 24.0in (425 X 610mm)

Driving wheels: 73.6in (1.870mm)

Heating surface: 2.125sq ft (197.4m2)

Superheater: 798sq ft (74.2m2)

Steam pressure: 228psi (16kg/cm2)

Grate area: 48.8sq ft (4.5m2)

Fuel: 18,800lb *8.5t)

Water: 6,030gal (7.240US)

Adhesive weight: 116,000lb (53t)

Total weight: 328,500lb (149t)

Length overall: 69ft 11in (21,317mm)


Second – Royal Prussian Union Railway (KPEV), 1922

Class P10 2-8-2

Tractive effort: 40,400lb (18,200kg)

Axle load: 43,00lb (19.5t)

Cylinders: (3) 20.5 x 26.0in (520 x 660mm)

Driving wheels: 68.9in (1,750mm)

Heating surface: 2.348sq ft (218.2m2)

Superheater; 883sq ft (82m2)

Steam pressure: 200psi (14kg/cm2)

Grate area: 43.8sq ft (4.07m2)

Fuel: 15,430lb (7.0t)

Water: 6,930gal (8,320 us) (31.5m3)

Adhesive weight: 167,000lb (77t)

Total weight: 243,500lb (110.5t)

Length overall: 75ft 5in (22,980mm)


Third – German Federal Railway (DB) 1953

Class 01.10 4-6-2

Tractive effort: 37,200lb (16,830kg)

Axle load: 44,500lb (20.2t)

Cylinders: (3) 19.7 x 26.0 in (500 x 600mm)

Driving wheels: 78x7in (2,000mm)

Heating surface: 2,223sq ft (206.5m2)

Superheater: 1,035sq ft (96.2m2)

Steam pressure: 227.6psi (16kg/cm2)

Grate area: 42.6sq ft (3.96m2)

Fuel: 22,000lb (10.0t)

Water: 8,400gal (10,000US)

Adhesive weight: 133,000lb (60.4t)

Total weight: 244,000lb (110.8t) (without tender)

Length overall: 79ft 2in (24,130mm)


I recognize much of this technical data may be meaningless to many – but perhaps others may find something of interest.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 6, 2006 6:53 PM
Good Evening!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #37

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . surround them with scenery! . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . sell EAGLE Dome Coaches . . . . .

Your Travel Patrons will enjoy thrilling Dome Coaches on these great trains!

*The TEXAS EAGLES overnight between St. Louis, Memphis and the principal cities of Texas. Through sleeping cars between Chicago, New York, Washington and Texas. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin and San Antonio. Direct connections at Laredo with new streamlined AZTEC EAGLE to Mexico City.

*The COLORADO EAGLE between St. Louis, Kansas City, Wichita and Colorado. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Denver.

*The MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE between St. Louis and Kansas City, St. Joseph, Lincoln, Omaha. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Omaha.

. . . . . . . . . . R. J. McDermott . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . General Passenger Traffic Mgr. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . 1601 Missouri Pacific Bldg. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . St. Louis 3, Mo. . . . . . . . . . .

MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 6, 2006 6:57 PM
For: BudKarr BK

Appreciate the contribution and support for this thread! [tup][tup]

I haven't forgotten your "sage words of advice," and most likely will pull the plug once my well runs dry. Not much interaction here ........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:26 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #26

Here’s another Passener RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Maine Central (MEC)

Headquarters: Portland, ME

Mileage 1950: 981

Locomotives in 1950:

Steam: 74 - Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,593 – Passenger cars: 42

Principal routes in 1950 (all within Maine, other than noted):

South Portland-Bangor
Bangor-Vanceboro
Bangor-Bucksport
Bangor-Calais & Eastport
Brunswick-Rockland
Portland-St. Johnsbury, VT
Quebec Jct., NH-Beecher Falls, VT
Lees Jct.-Farmington & Rumford
Newport Jct.-Dover-Foxcroft

Passenger trains of note:

Bar Harbor Express (Washington, DC-Ellsworth, ME)
Down Easter (New York-Waterville & Rockland, ME)
Flying Yankee (Boston-Bangor)
Gull (Boston-Halifax, NS)
Katahdin (Boston-Bngor)
Kennnebec (Boston-Bangor
Mountaineer (Boston-Littleton, NH)
Penobscot (Boston-Bangor)
Pine Tree (Boston-Bangor)
Skipper (Boston-Bangor)

Note: B&M handled trains west of Portland to Boston. CN handled trains east of Calais, ME to Halifax,NS. The Mountaineer was a B&M train handled by MEC between Intervale & Whitefield, NH.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:15 PM
G’day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #38

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1948 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . World Premiere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
the New 20th Century Limited

. . . . . . . . . . First of New York Central’s new Dreamliner Fleet . . . . . . . . . .

NEW Lookout Lounge – Modern setting for the club-like availability that’s long been a Century tradition.

Newfrom its streamlined Diesel to its raised “Lookout Lounge” . . .

New King-Size Diner – So spacious it needs a separate kitchen car! Smart designing gives each table privacy plus a perfect outlook. There’s a festive feel about the Century’s dinner lounge and a sense of being served with distinction.

New 1948 Century Rooms – Whether you travel in a roomette, a bedroom or with a party in a suite, you can work, or relax in air-conditioned privacy by day – then sleep the miles away by night on Central’s smooth Water Level Route.

. . . . . NEW NEW YORK CENTRAL . . . . .

. . . . . BETWEEN THE HEART OF CHICAGO AND THE HEART OF NEW YORK . . . . .
Vacation overnight aboard the new Century. Arrive refreshed – with no business time lost.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:16 PM
In the fall each year when I was between 6 and 13, my father would take me for a ride from Chicago to New York, later Chicago to Washington, on the Capitol Limited. He worked for the B&O, and seemed to hate his job, but loved riding the train.
Talk about rockin' and rollin': he let me wander all over the train; the combined smells of cigars, air conditioning moisture, wool rugs, and about 20 others was magic. One of my favorite things was to stand in the vestibule, ( actually a double vestibule was best ), and just listen.... . At 79 miles per hour, there was a symphony of sound like no other.
Then, there was riding in the dome cars, ( the only dome sleepers on the Eastern roads ), so I could see the A-B-A E-8s lean into the "supers", ( the curves..), and hear those, (recently rediscovered on ww.dieselairhorns.com ), Leslie S5a horns make music! When I die, I climbing aboard the Capitol..........
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 7, 2006 9:11 PM
For: Uncle Don

When I was a kid, in the 1990's to present times, my love of trains was greatly enhanced through travel in VIA Rail's Budd stainless steel observation domes (Park cars). [swg]

In the 1940's it was riding in the heavyweights of the PRR, B&O and NYC. Then came the 50's and some "smoothsides" and staiinless steel beauties. A long, long hiatus from trains during a 32 year military career - then a return, of sorts over the recent decades.

So, when I pass on to the roundhouse in the great beyond, I want to go sitting in the Park car observation dome!

I can fully relate to what you've said and I appreciate your saying it! [tup][tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Sunday, January 8, 2006 9:02 AM
Good Morning!

Something different for Sunday - perhaps some pix to liven up this place!

From my VIA Rail library:

These pix are from a May 2005 rail trip in eastern Canada:

Evangeline Park car at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Chateau Brule sleeping car at Halifax, Nova Scotia


Westbound F40PH's at Moncton, New Brunswick


VIA Rail's "Ocean" Train #15 westbound at Moncton, New Brunswick


Nearing journey's end at Montreal's Central Station


"My LRC car" at Ottawa, Ontario


Train #33 at Ottawa, Ontario


VIA Rail Station, Ottawa, Ontario


VIA Rail Station, Bus platform, Ottawa, Ontario


War Museum complex, Ottawa, Ontario


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, January 9, 2006 8:44 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #27

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)

Headquarters: New Haven, CT

Mileage in 1950: 1,800

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)

Principal routes in 1950:

New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA

Passenger trains of note:

NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper


BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn

OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by BudKarr on Monday, January 9, 2006 6:01 PM
Hello Captain Tom!

Just a visit to your "other thread" to help keep you up and running. As always, your Posts of the Nostalgia and Fallen Flags are precisely on point when it comes to the Classic Trains theme of this forum.

See you at the bar!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 9, 2006 9:40 PM
Tom,
Thanks for sharing. Remember in the 1920's they were talking about extending the Empire Builder to San Francisco?
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:58 AM
For: AMTK200

Can't say that I do - however, why not tell us about it[?]

And, it's my pleasure to provide these pieces of Classic Trains info! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:19 AM
G’day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #39

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

The New BROADWAY LIMITED

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK – CHICAGO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Now in Service . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE NEWLY-EQUIPPED Broadway Limited presents completely new conception of travel . . . with new styling, appointments, riding ease and beauty . . . more comforts and conveniences than ever before, representing the finest that modern design and engineering can offer.

Beautiful new Lounge and Observation Cars . . . attractive new Dining Cars . . . distinctively new, all-room sleeping cars . . . plus the Broadway Limited’s traditional hospitality – all for your personal travel pleasure! WE invite you to make a reservation for your next trip.

NEW MID-TRAIN LOUNGE AND OBSERVATION LOUNGE CARRichly appointed for leisure. Magazines, buffets.

NEW MASTER DINING CARAttractively furnished and decorated. Enjoy delicious food . . . meticulous service. Entire car reserved for dining.

ROOMETTES for one. Full-length bed, wardrobe, complete toilet facilities.

DUPLEX ROOMS for one person. Full length bed becomes comfortable divan during day. Toilet facilities.

COMPARTMENTS for two. Sofa-seat and lounge chair. Lower and upper beds. Wardrobe, enclosed toilet annex.

BEDROOMSfor one or two – in three new styles. Lower and upper beds, wardrobe, enclosed toilet annex.

DRAWING ROOMS for three. Sofa-seat and lounge chairs . . . three beds. Wardrobe, enclosed toilet annex.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by BudKarr on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:30 PM
Hello Captain Tom,

Here is a contribution from me in support of what you are doing with this thread, something you have seen before over at the bar, but not here:

I cannot imagine that anything coming from me will be either enlightening or informative to those who know the NH. But here are a few tid bits of information regarding that prized railroad:

* Unlike the majority of other railroads, passenger train revenue was largely responsible for the success of the company.

* The railroad was considered to be a compact railroad, connecting virtually all of the towns and cities of Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.

* The final order for steam locomotives by the NH was in the 1930's for ten streamlined Baldwin 4-6-4's Hudsons.

* The showcase of the NH direct rail link between Boston and New York was called the Shore Line Route. This route covered 229 miles and was the only direct rail link between the largest of the northeast cities.

* In 1938, a new service appeared on NH freights called trailer-on-flatcar (TOFC) and was introduced between Boston and New York City.

* Patrick McGinnis took over the NH in 1954 and changed the livery to the flashy orange, red and black which won immediate acceptance by the traveling public. Unfortunately, the rest of Mr. McGinnis' efforts were not so well received as the railroad began its downward spiral.

* A toy train company owned by A. C. Gilbert in New Haven, Connecticut, successfully marketed their NH replica trains. The GE EP5 electric locomotive was one. Some years earlier, Gilbert's line of trains, called American Flyer, produced the Pullman-Standard "turtle roofed" toy streamliners that became known throughout the region as "American Flyer cars" in the real railroad world. (Life imitating art?)

* Perhaps one of the NH's most successful ventures involved the purchase of Rail Diesel Cars from the Budd Company of Philadelphia in 1952-53. Forty cars were put in use over nearly 920 route miles of service. These self-contained cars, called Shoreliners, quickly ignitied the commuter rail growth for decades to come.

* The NH vanished from the scene in 1969 when a federal court ordered that it be included in the Penn Central, which had previously absorbed the bankrupt Pennsylvania and New York Central railroads. The PC went bust in 1970.

Note: The aforementioned was obtained through internet resources.

I will be away for some time, as explained over at the bar. Until the next time!


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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:47 PM
For: BK

Thanx for the Post! As you know, the New Haven is one of my all time favorite roads. Traveled aboard many a train between Grand Central Terminal and New London, CT back in the mid-50's.

Appreciate your continuing support of this thread. Have a safe journey and we'll keep your place at the bar![tup][tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:42 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #28

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Bangor & Aroostook (BAR)

Headquarters: Bangor, ME

Mileage:

1950: 616
2000: 433

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 46

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 4,646 – Passenger cars: 2

Principal lines in 1950 (all in Maine):

Searsport-Derby-Fort Kent
Brownville-Brownville Jct.
Northern Maine Jct.-Bangor
Derby-Greenville
Old Town-South Lagrange
South Lagrange-West Seboois
Oakfield-Phair-Presque Isle-Van Buren
Van Buren-St. Francis
Squa Pan-Stockholm
Mapleton-Presque Isle
Caribou-Limestone
Phair-Fort Fairfield

Passenger Trains of note:

Aroostock Flyer (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.)
Potatoland Special (Bangor-Van Buren via Houlton and Presque Isle, with through cars from Boston via Northern Maine Jct.)


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:19 PM
G’day!!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #40

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the BRITISH RAILWAYS in a 1948 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . 25% Reduction IN TOUR FARES . . . . .

. . . . . For Americans Visiting The BRITISH ISLES . . . . .

When planning your British Isles holiday, make a list of all the places you want to see in England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. Your Travel Agent will be glad to help you prepare your complete individual itinerary. That way you’ll effect substantial savings on planned tour tickets offered by British Railways.

. . . . . . . . . . See More in Britain! . . . . . . . . . .

Naturally, you’ll visit our great cities, our world-famous historic and scenic shrines (all within a day’s train trip from London) . . . but with more time you can enjoy so many equally memorable travel experiences in our less publicized byways. So plan to stay longer – discover for yourself the charm of our villages, countryside and rugged coastline.

. . . . . . . . . . Travel means BRITISH RAILWAYS

TRAINS . . . Swift, comfortable transportation to every corner of the British Isles.

HOTELS . . . 45 hotels associated with British Railways, strategically situated for your tour or business trips.

CROSS-CHANNEL FACILITIES . . . Railway-operated steamer services over a wide variety of routes to Ireland and the Continent. Depend on the all-inclusive travel services of British Railways for every phase of your tour of the British Isles. We suggest you secure your rail transportation, as well as Pullman, cross-channel steamer and hotel reservations before your leave.

British Railways – official agents for air tickets on British European Air Corporation routes in the British Isles.

Write for British Railways – new and amusing booklet, ”WHAT, NO ICE?” – written especially for Americans planning to visit us; as well as the full-color map folder, ”THE BRITISH ISLES” both free upon request to Dept. 25 at any of the offices shown below.

For tickets, reservations and authoritative travel information on the British Isles

CONSULT YOUR LOCAL TRAVEL AGENT or any British Railways office:

. . . . . NEW YORK 20, N. Y., 9 ROCKEFELLER Pl.
. . . . . CHICAGO 3, ILL, 39 So. Lasalle St.
. . . . . LOS ANGELES 14, CAL., 510 W. 6th St.
. . . . . TORONTO, ONT., 69 Yonge Street

. . . . . . . . . . BRITISH RAILWAYS . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:26 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #29

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Louisville & Nashville (L&N)

Headquarters: Louisville, KY

Mileage in 1950: 4,779

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 732

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 59,077
Passenger cars: 483

Principal lines in 1950:

Cincinnati-New Orleans via Louisville, Nashville, Lewisborg, TN & Birmingham
Nashville-St. Louis via Evansville, IN
Louisville-Evansville
Memphis Junction, KY (Bowling Green)-Memphis
Cincinnati-Atlanta via Knoxville, TN & Cartersville, GA
Flomaton, AL-Chattahoochie, FL
Anchorage-Hazard, KY via Lexington
Corbin-Baxter, KY
Lebanon Junction-Sinks, KY

Passenger trains of note:

Azalean (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and Atlanta & West Point.
Crescent (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP.
Dixie Flagler (Chicago-Miami via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixie Flyer (Chicago-Florida via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixieland (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)
Flamingo (Cincinnati-Jacksonville via Corbin, KY)
Georgian (Chicago & St. Louis-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (New Orleans-Jacksonville; joint with ACL)
Humming Bird (Chicago & St. Louis & Cincinnati-New Orleans & Memphis; joint with Chicago & Eastern Illinois)
Pan-American (Cincinnati-Memphis & New Orleans)
Piedmont Limited (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP)
Southland (Detroit-Florida via Louisville & Corbin)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:13 PM
Hello Siberianmo!

Thought I'd "surface" now that I've been browsing your thread since its inception. Very informative posts and very generous of you to share your time and talents here in the ether. So many simply take and never give a thing back.

Here's a little something that may interest whoever reads these posts:

So, how about the Staten Island Rapid Tranist of old (SIRT)[?] Tom put out some great stuff on that electrified surface “subway” on another thread some time back. (Sorry, I KNOW it wasn’t a subway, but so many people look at those old cars and swear that is what they were.) If any commuter line could be put in a class as a Classic, put me down for nominating the SIRT!

SIRT – The old and the new (1973)


Take note: from internet sources of the public domain. Credit to: Photo by: Doug Grotjahn Collection of: Joe Testagrose

Until the next time, keep the wind at your back, the sun in your eyes, and watch out for the . . . . . pole![censored] [swg]

Lars

P.S. Thank you Tom for use of your photo album for storage.[tup]
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:16 PM
Good Afternoon Tom
Thought I would drop into this forum fo a brief visit and happened to see the bit about the Great Northern EMPIRE BUILDER. Having completed my first book on this train and now awaiting the publishing I have researched the train thoroughly and remember it was not inaugurated until 1929.
The GN jointly with the NP and their subsidiary SP&S did provide service to San Francisco with two steamships the SS GREAT NORTHERN and SS NORTHERN PACIFIC. At one time they were the fastest ships on the west coast, and competed with the SP trains between Portland and San Francisco. The SP&S operated a boat train from Portland to the mouth of the Columbia river where passengers boarded one of the two ships for the run to San Francisco. For a few years until the SP was able to operate faster trains over their route the SP&S -GN-NP route was the faster of the two competitors.

GN did entertain the thought of operating a section of the ORIENTAL LIMITED over the SP&S -GN -WP inland route to San Francisco but it was felt that it would not be cost effective to bring the line from the Columbia River to Bend, Oregon up to passenger train standards. But as for freight this route was and still is profitable to this day. This is the BNSF back door into California from the north and is heavily utilized.

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:05 PM
Hello LoveDomes Lars & passengerfan Al

Good to see you both over here for a bit - much appreciated! [tup][tup]

Since the idea of this particular thread is to engage conversation centered about Classic Passenger Trains you both have made fine contributions.

Obvioiusly, we "know each other" from the bar ("Our" Place) so there's no need for me to act is if what you have provided is "news" as such. However, perhaps others may pick up on what's been provided and keep the ball rolling.

As you both know, everything here, as been previously Posted over on "Our" Place so this is a "down 'n dirty" resource for finding something you may have missed the first time around. [swg]

Thanx again and see ya at the bar!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 13, 2006 8:21 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #41

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . Glacier National Park . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IN THE MONTANA ROCKIES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

HIKE on high trails.

RIDE to ancient glaciers.

SEE snowclad mountains.

FISH in great trout waters.

TOUR in open top motor coaches.

EAT and sleep in fine hotels.

ON THE MAIN LINE OF THE GREAT NORTHERN

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, January 13, 2006 1:58 PM
Hello Tom,

Check these fine domes out:

from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


from: www.trainweb.org


Lots more where these came from! (All posted under the terrms listed by trainweb.org)

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, January 13, 2006 7:00 PM
Good afternoon Tom and Lars.

Tom really knows how to twist my tail when he brings up anything GN or Domes and that Glacier park advertisement did it again.

For those who have never visited the Park I believe it is the most unspoiled of any of the National Parks with the possible exception of Denali National Park.

The GN was the major developer of the Park and built most of the lodges and Chalets that are in use to this day at the park. In the early years of the park the GN was the only way to get their and later U S Highway 2 ran along the Parks southern boundary and over Marias Pass within site of the GN mainline for most of the way. Even today the old U S 2 is not much of a highway and probably the main reason Amtrak chose the EMPIRE BUILDER route over the NORTH COAST LIMITED route.

I understand that many of the Glaciers in the park are melting. So much for Global Warming. Actually it seems to go in cycles the warming of the earth and the cooling off so don't know which to believe. But if anyone is looking for a truly enjoyable summer vacation mecca I can't recommend Glacir National Park enough.

I have seen the majority of the Western National Parks, Yellowstone, Mt. Rainier, Olympic, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Denali, and Crater Lake and for me I have a special fondness for Glacier over all of the others. Don't ask me what it is about Glacier but one trip their seems to be like a magnet for you and you will have a tendency to return time and time again.

A little off subject maybe but the EMPIRE BUILDER still goes their today.

In the not to distant past the GN WESTERN STAR was the Park train in summer months often operating with five and six offline sleeping cars to the Park from as far away as New York and Los Angeles and sometimes serving as the hotel space while at the park. The GN never permitted the EMPIRE BUILDER to carry off line sleeping cars as only a matching consist would do for the GN's finest. Prior to the inauguration of the WESTERN STAR the ORIENTAL LIMITED was the train to Glacier National Park.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, January 13, 2006 7:14 PM
For: LoveDomes Lars

Great pix - much appreciated! Also thanx for stopping by. [tup]

For: passengerfan Al

Yes, I know how to get you out of your office![swg] After all of these months, your Achilles Heel is ever vulnerable!

There's so much history tied up in our railroads and you touche upon one facet in particular - the development of national Parks. Not all, but many, may trace their success to the railroads.

Good stuff! Thanx for stopping by.[tup][tup]

See you both at the bar!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:05 AM
Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #30

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Illinois Central (IC)

Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage:

1950: 4,779
1995: 2,732 (including rights)

Locomotives in 1963

Diesels: 629

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 49,226
Passenger cars: 857

Principal routes:

Chicago-New Orleans via Mattoon & Carbondale, IL, & Grenada, MS
Memphis-New Orleans via Vicksburg, MS & Baton Rouge, LA
Memphis-Jackson, MS via Greenwood, MS
Fulton, KY-Birmingham, AL
Freeport-Centralia, IL via Clinton & Vandalia
Chicago-Omaha, NE
Tara (Fort Dodge)-Sioux City, IA
Cherokee, IA-Sioux Falls, SD
Manchester-Cedar Rapids, IA
Waterloo, IA-Albert Lea, MN
Centralia, IL-Madison, WI
Gilman, IL-St. Louis
St. Louis-Du Quoin, IL
Edgewood, IL-Fulton, KY
Fulton-Louisville, KY via Paducah
Effingham, IL-Indianapolis, IN
Mattoon-Peoria, IL via Decatur
Jackson-Gulfport, MS
Meridian, MS-Shreveport, LA

Passenger trains of note:

Chickasaw (Memphis-St. Louis & Chicago)
City of Miami (Chicago & St. Louis-Miami & St. Petersburg, FL; joint with CG, ACL and FEC)
City of New Orleans (Chicago & St. Louis & Louisville-New Orleans)
Daylight (Chicago-St. Louis
Delta Express (Memphis-Vicksburg, MS)
Green Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Hawkeye (Chicago-Sioux City
Iowan (Chicago-Sioux City)
Irvin S. Cobb (Louisville-New Orleans)
Kentucky Cardinal (Louisville-Memphis)
Land O’ Corn (Chicago-Waterloo, IA)
Louisiane (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Magnolia Star (Chicago-New Orleans)
Mid-American (Chicago-Memphis)
Night Diamond (Chicago-St. Louis)
Panama Limited (Chicago & St. Louis-New Orleans)
Planter (Louisville-Memphis)
Seminole (Chicago-Jacksonville, FLA via Birmingham & Columbus, GA)
Southwestern Limited & Northeastern Limited (Meridian-Shreveport)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:37 PM
Hello Tom,

Some photos on this quiet Saturday (I'll provide these and more tomorrow over at the bar for your Photo Posting Sunday!)

GN #1320 (from: www.trainweb.org)


GN #1321 (from: www.trainweb.org)


GN #1322 (from: www.trainweb.org)


GN #1323 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Don't you just love those domes?

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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:57 PM
For: LoveDomes Lars

Great pix - Thanx for Posting 'em![tup]

Wonder if these will "work" their "magic" and bring passengerfan Al out from under those tax forms[?][swg]

See ya at the bar!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Good Morning!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #41

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY in a 1949 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . Glacier National Park . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IN THE MONTANA ROCKIES . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

HIKE on high trails.

RIDE to ancient glaciers.

SEE snowclad mountains.

FISH in great trout waters.

TOUR in open top motor coaches.

EAT and sleep in fine hotels.

ON THE MAIN LINE OF THE GREAT NORTHERN

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


Yes!!! The Empire Builder....thanks siberianmo !!! Keep up the awesome postings!!!

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