Cincinnati Union Terminal Departures / Arrivals

[BaltACD]

Representation of the Westbound trip

[TheFlyingScotsman]

I really do have to make a table of this stuff.

In 1949 the Cincinnatian and the Powattan Arrow would have been lined up for departure at the same time as the George Washington arrived. That would have been sight to behold.

More research needed.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

rcdrye

The Cincinnatian was also supposed to be competition for C&O's Chessie, which never started...

 

N&W established the "Powhatan Arrow" for the same reason.  Both were money-losers but B&O re-routed the "Cincinnatian" since Detroit-Cincy had better potential and N&W could afford to eat the losses from the "Powhatan Arrow".

[rcdrye]

The Cincinnatian was also supposed to be competition for C&O's Chessie, which never started...

[BaltACD]

From its 1947 inception until early in 1950, The Cincinnatian operated the Baltimore-Cincinnati route.  In 1950 it was switched to the Detroit-Cincinnati route.  The streamlined P7d's could handle additional cars on the Detroit route.  On the Baltimore route the schedule limited the train to 5 cars.

[TheFlyingScotsman]

Thanks everyone forthese great tips. Embarrassingly I'd never heard of the Official Guide and found a scanned one from 1945 on streamliner schedules. Amazing amount of detail. Thanks for outlining those from 1948 redrye.

I've long pondered where'd have been the place to see so many of the locomotives and trains I like best and Cincinnatti must be the place. In one day sandwiches and flask in hand I could have seen A Niagara, a P7d, an F-19 and a N&W J, but by the look of things so, so much more. The mind boggles ;)

Thanks again!

[rcdrye]

From the February 1948 Official Guide:

Cincinnati Union Terminal hosted these railroads for passenger service:

Baltimore & Ohio

Chesapeake & Ohio

New York Central System

Louisville & Nashville

Norfolk & Western

Pennsylvania

Southern Railway System (CNO&TP)

It also hosted the Erie at its Freight House.

B&O: National Limited, Diplomat, Cincinnatian, unnamed 11/12 from Baltimore/Washington, 33/34, Washington Express from Pittsburgh, four numbered trains to Louisville, three to Detroit.   The Cincinnatian name was soon moved to one of the Detroit trains.

C&O: FFV, George Washington, Sportsman from Washington.  19/20 Hammond IN (Chicago via Erie)

NYCS: Royal Palm, Ponce de Leon, Florida Sunbeam, six pairs of numbered trains to Cleveland, Ohio State Limited, Cincinnati Special, Carolina Special, plus various locals

L&N: Azalean, Humming Bird, Pan American, 3/4, 7/8.  17/18,29/30 to Winchester.

N&W: Cavalier, Pocahantas, Powhatan Arrow, 23/24

PRR:   Cincinnati Limited, 213,267,227,202,206,222.  From Chicago: Southland, Union, Cincinnati Daylight Express, Cincinnati Night Express

Southern: Royal Palm, Ponce de Leon, Florida Sunbeam, Carolina Special, Skyland Special

These are mostly from the condensed schedules.  Many of the trains carried Pullmans that ended up on connecting trains, or which made across-the-platform connections for other destinations.  I'm sure I missed a couple but the list illustrates how many trains called there on a given day.

[BaltACD]

B&O also had through trains - The National Limited, The Diplomat and the Metropolitan Special.  There were several numbered trains that operated from Detroit through CUT to Louisville.  I believe there was also a local that operated over the secondary lines between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

C&O 'might' have had a train operating between Cincinnati & Chicago - a maid of all work local.

[Jones1945]

I am interested in this topic, so please let me give it a try!

PRR:

• Cincinnati Limited (to/from New York City)

NYCRR:

• Ohio State Limited  (to/from New York City)
• James Whitcomb Riley (to/from Chicago) 

B&O:

• Cincinnatian  (to/from Detroit)

C&O:

• George Washington  (to/from  Washington, DC)
• Fast Flying Virginian (to/from  Washington, DC)
• Sportsman (to/from  Washington, DC)

L&N: 

• Humming Bird (to/from New Orleans) 
• Flamingo (to/from  Atlanta, Georgia)
• Pan American (to/from New Orleans)

N&W:

• Cavalier (to/from Norfolk)
• Pocahontas (to/from Norfolk)
• Powhatan Arrow (to/from Norfolk)

Southern:

• Royal Palm (to/from Miami, Florida)
• Ponce de Leon (to/from Jacksonville, Florida)
• Carolina Special (to/from the Carolinas)

I am 100% sure there should be more trains on the list, but I don't have time to dig deeper.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

If you can find a copy of the Official Guide for that particular period, your task might be a bit easier.  There were also a lot of unnamed locals operating during that era, too.

[TheFlyingScotsman]

I have been looking about for a daily arrivals and departures at Cincinatti for maybe 1948 or thereabouts. I can cobble something together from available timetables but it would be a lot easier and I would be less likely that I'd miss services if I could just see everything in one.

I appreciate there's a list of named services on Wikipedia but I am thinking there must've been more.

I've looked under the usual stones but does anyone have any pointers?