Definately not the first thing that comes to mind when you think of a ferryboat, but it looks like it gets the job done.
https://www.nywaterway.com/BeaconTerminal.aspx
MidlandMikeWhile the grand old ferries are gone, there are now smaller ferries that operate out of there.
And Beacon, NY, although what MN uses there is not what most people are going to think of when you say 'ferryboat'...
MidlandMikeThe Hudson is an estuary
The Hudson's also been described as a fijord, there's something to that, and is tidal all the way up to West Point. There's very little fresh water in evidence in the Hoboken area, trust me.
Anyway, here's what the Riverkeeper has to say about it. Interesting!
https://www.riverkeeper.org/hudson-river/basics/#:~:text=River%20Keeper&text=In%20fact%2C%20most%20of%20the,in%20Troy%2C%20approximately%20153%20miles.
PS: Those tides would play a role in foiling Benedict Arnold's treason in 1780, but that's another story.
Flintlock76 I forgot to look yesterday, but today, holy jeez! Hoboken's Lackawanna Terminal, I get shivers just looking at it! Just to get the idea of how cold it was, and sustained cold, the Hudson River's salt water at that point, and salt water doesn't freeze unless it chilled below 28 degrees. Whether it's solid ice or "slob ice" I'm not sure, but it was a cold winter just the same. The terminal's still there as a Jersey Transit facility, but needless to say the ferrys are long gone.
I forgot to look yesterday, but today, holy jeez!
Hoboken's Lackawanna Terminal, I get shivers just looking at it! Just to get the idea of how cold it was, and sustained cold, the Hudson River's salt water at that point, and salt water doesn't freeze unless it chilled below 28 degrees. Whether it's solid ice or "slob ice" I'm not sure, but it was a cold winter just the same.
The terminal's still there as a Jersey Transit facility, but needless to say the ferrys are long gone.
The Hudson is an estuary, and the fresh water tends to wedge out toward the top, and I would imagine you also get ice floating down the river.
While the grand old ferries are gone, there are now smaller ferries that operate out of there. I took one about 20 years ago. Some of those ferries came to the aid of that jetliner that Sully landed in the Hudson.
Overmod pennytrains ... new military vehicles (no idea what they were, half hummer half "something") ... look up 'Stryker' and tell me if those are what you saw.
pennytrains ... new military vehicles (no idea what they were, half hummer half "something") ...
look up 'Stryker' and tell me if those are what you saw.
They went by pretty quick and it was awhile ago, but they're probably what I saw.
Same me, different spelling!
As a child I was given a number of books from the 1920s, on subjects like "ships" and "trains". One book on ships contained a photo of a conventional stern wheel paddle boat that had been in the Hudson near Manhattan when the river froze solid, trapping the ship and damaging its hull. On checking I found that this might have occurred around 1888 (I welcome any information on this) I guess they had this striking photo and wanted to use it despite it being quite old.
Somewhere in the back of my mind is a statement that one very severe winter in the 1880s in the West marked the end of major cattle drives to railheads (no doubt assisted by expansion of the railroads).
A book on railways from the late 1950s included some photos of the Oslo-Bergen line in Norway and I later found the photos dated from 1905....
Peter
pennytrains... new military vehicles (no idea what they were, half hummer half "something") ...
Well, the big one that got away from me was a summer day in Olmsted Township when a south(ish) bound shipment from Detroit of flats loaded with new military vehicles (no idea what they were, half hummer half "something") passed the grade at Columbia Road and again the camera was at home.
pennytrainsThat's the way it always seems to work. A while back I had a chance at a pair of Wheeling and Lake Erie units standing alone a few feet shy of a grade crossing on a beautiful day and my camera was miles away.
Don't feel bad, I was trackside when the CSX Engineering Train (imagine a passenger train in CSX colors) came through, and no camera!
Ben KlescThis is the Framingham & Lowell line which ran off the old New York, New Haven, & Hartford system that was abandoned in 2001.
Nice shots, and aboard!
SP knew plenty about B-units when the DD35s arrived - they had about 200 F3/F7/F9m B-units that were very much part of the freight pool in 1965. The four axle Flexicoils don't seem to have had too much trouble with tracking. The DD35s did have hostler controls - in the "alley" between the long hoods.
Erik_MagWish I had stopped and taken a picture
That's the way it always seems to work. A while back I had a chance at a pair of Wheeling and Lake Erie units standing alone a few feet shy of a grade crossing on a beautiful day and my camera was miles away.
FWIW, I do recall seeing one of the SP DD-35's in Taylor yard in early 1977. It was between two non-SP hood units, one may have been a BN unit on the other was a Family Lines unit. Wish I had stopped and taken a picture of that lash-up.
I also remember seeing side frames for DD trucks being hauled as scrap on southbound I-15 in San Diego in the mid-80's.
This is the Framingham & Lowell line which ran off the old New York, New Haven, & Hartford system that was abandoned in 2001.
This is a photograph taken by local resident David Haney in the summer of 1977 running through Chelmsford Center in Massachusetts before they put in the traffic lights. The intersection is now the Bruce Freeman Trail that makes up 25 miles of bike path. To the right of this shot not seen in the first photograph was the Chelmsford Center Freight House. The train station located here was torn down in 1951 that used to run passenger service until that year.
Today the location of the train station and freight yard is Brickhouse Pizza and a gas station. Pan Am still runs a freight through Chelmsford on the other end of the town on the Stoney Brook Railroad owned under the current Pan Am system. Passenger service ended on Stoney Brook railway in 1961.
The JUNIATA was a Pittsburgh-NYC train that later was truncated to a Pittsburgh-Philadelphia run
rcdryeLocal name for them was "Baby Huey"
https://chabdog.com/wp-content/uploads/4-27-19-baby-huey.jpg
I have sometimes wondered if that poorly screened blower screaming away behind the Econoline/cracker box-GMC-style cab added to crew dislike.
SP did use the U50s on San Gorgonia, and other runs out of LA's Taylor yard. The crews didn't like them much. SP was still very much an EMD-favoring railroad when the U50s showed. SP and SSW had 18 GP30s and 182 GP35s to 68 U25Bs Remember that they performed much like a pair of U25Bs, which were known to be slippery. SP had relatively few contemporary GEs assigned to LA - the U25Bs tended to stay east of El Paso in the Cotton Belt pools mixed with GP35s. The GE control stands weren't popular either - and there were only three of them! The arrival of the SD45s after 1966 pretty much sidelined them as they got stored early and often in traffic downturns, and were quickly retired when the equipment trusts ran out in the late 1970s. Local name for them was "Baby Huey"
Except for the DD35s and U50s, all of SP's dual-engine freight power was diesel-hydraulic with the three Alco DH643s and twenty "Krauts" Krauss-Maffai ML4000s.
The George Westinghouse bridge never had streetcar tracks making it something of a rarity among Pittsburgh's many bridges. The 55 East Pittsburgh via Homestead did go UNDER the bridge.
rcdryeNever really did figure out where to use them
I'd have thought the rough riding would be on the U50Cs. The salvaged span-bolster B-Bs shouldn't have run any worse than they did under the gas-turbines that used them, unless the roll center with the Diesel engines was too much higher or the designers fouled up the longitudinal balance (which has been known to happen; it ruined the Silver Slipper's motorcar, for instance).
I have the impression that the U50C was one of the true worst locomotives ever built.
Today we've got Pittsburgh's George Westinghouse Bridge. I've seen it, it's still majestic too!
At least it has cleaner lines than Alco's C855. The main thing the U50 triggered was the DD35A. UP was happy enough with cabless DD35s before that. SP got three each U50s and DD35 (cabless). Never really did figure out where to use them.
The U50's were reported to be rough riders. When you consider how far forward of the centerpin of the span bolster the cab is located, it's not too surprising.
Except for its size, the location of the cab suggests that it be quite at home in Australia.
Wow. Today we've got one of those rather bizarre Union Pacific U-50's.
I don't know what to think. Looks like it can't decide whether it wants to be a road diesel or a Sperry rail car. At least the head-end crew had a great view of the passing scenery!
Today's shot is a good reminder that railroaders aren't all on the limiteds and fast freights roaming the high iron. We forget there was, and still are, a lot of unsung and forgotten guys out there doing the "grunt work" that keeps it all going.
pennytrains At least it proves N&W wasn't averse to operating dome cars.
At least it proves N&W wasn't averse to operating dome cars.
Right you are, so the photo was a bit of an education. Now I don't have to worry about running my MTH "Powhatan Arrow" with a dome car, it's prototypical!
I don't know why I worry about that stuff anyway. Too much of a historian I guess. You don't want to watch a historic themed movie with me...
Today, the N&W's "Pocahontas," or what purports to be the "Pocahontas."
It's just not the same without a Class J on the head end.
Oh well, it's 1971 and Amtrak's about to take over, so it doesn't matter anymore anyway.
That's 2nd St. at Clybourn, just a few blocks down Clybourn from the south side of the North Shore Line's station and only a block or so from the back side of Milwaukee Electric's station in the Public Service Building. The gates were pneumatically controlled from a tower on the east side of 2nd. This from another version of the same photo in Jim Scribbin's Hiawatha Story (Pg 73), with map checking from a couple of sources.
Flintlock76 And today's shot, some street running in Milwaukee. What a sight those two trains pulling out must have been!
And today's shot, some street running in Milwaukee. What a sight those two trains pulling out must have been!
I think that is just a big grade crossing, with a major road crossing multiple tracks. There is a raised boom barrier next to the distant station clock tower.
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