Under-appreciated / overshadowed North American steam locomotives

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Posted by M636C on Monday, June 22, 2020 6:28 PM

Manila Railroad:

USATC 851 to 890 Vulcan Iron Works numbers 4554 to 4593

USATC 141 to 143 Alco numbers 70369 to 70371

USATC 631 to 632 Alco numbers 73072 to 73073

It appears that the movie shows possibly the second shipment of eight locomotives....

The Manila Railroad kept the USATC numbers of the first 40 and numbered the others as 891 to 895. 

I was confused by your references to the standard and broad gauge locomotives.

I could only find links to the Reading locomotives....


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Posted by NorthWest on Monday, June 22, 2020 6:56 PM

To clarify for those that are perhaps not familiar with the locomotives in question here, there were actually two types of 2-8-2s produced for the war effort by American builders.

There were 200 standard gauge British WD 2-8-2s which have been tagged as the USATC S200 class in various places around the web.

There were far more 3ft/Cape/Meter USATC 2-8-2s (usually dubbed the S118 class) like those in the video destined for the Phillipines.

As Peter will tell you, the nomenclature is suspect.

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:10 PM

There is a very simple way of telling British WD 2-8-2 from a USATC metre/cape gauge 2-8-2, even when only part of the locomotive is visible.

The standard and broad gauge locomotives were all built to British specifications and none of them, not the original 200, nor the 809 broad gauge locomotives (of which 225 had USATC numbers) had sand domes.

All of the cape/metre gauge 2-8-2s (some of which were built or modified to 3ft gauge) had a large sand dome.

To fit the Indian metre gauge clearances, the smaller 2-8-2s had a  nearly flat cab roof, while the larger units had a distinctly arched cab roof.



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