Uranium City

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Uranium City
Posted by Miningman on Saturday, February 22, 2020 11:57 PM

 

I've been to Uranium City twice. Once with Getty in 1980 and once with the regional geologist here at the PreCambrian Lab in 2010. 
It was a happening place at one time , early fifties, now about 40 people and a real ghost town for the rest of it. 
Exploration crews pass through, Rare Earth's in the area and Vanadium, also Diamonds.  
 
During the big boom years of the Cold War this was THE place to obtain Uranium.
 
All those supplies and equipment came in from Edmonton, and the Northern Alberta Railway forwarded it all to Clearwater River, stored in 2 large warehouses. They had 4 months of open water with those barges to get everything up there. 
 
I have two graduate students working up there with the remediation of the Gunnar Mine. Amazing 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Northern Alberta Railway

NAR Waterways/ Clearwater River ( Fort McMurray) 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:16 PM

Amazing stuff, all right.  Every day I learn something new here!

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:35 PM

Thanks Wayne.  I think Uranium City will have a rebirth in the not too far future. It is a magical area, difficult to relate what you sense when you are there. Virtually the entire periodic table is laid out there in abundance. Exploration crews searching and drilling for Uranium find Cobalt instead.  Gold crews find Diamonds. Copper-Zinc exploration finds banded Iron formations. 2.8 billion year old marine volcanic vents!..could this be the origins of life?  Native peoples have found large chunks of Lodestone, a rock that is in itself a magnet. Medicine men use it for medicinal purposes and revere it. 

The air and the sky, the outcrops and the land seem to want to say something. When we are ready they will reveal more.  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:51 PM

My God, all those riches in the earth.  It's insanity not to go after them!

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, February 24, 2020 9:03 AM

There is a lot of exploration up there Wayne. There are however a myriad of problems these days. The first is excessive and extreme regulations, the second is obtaining $$'s for exploration work. The 'Juniors' can only go so far, then the big guns step in but even then cash is tight. The third is consultation with Native Bands, as stakeholders, usually the least of the problems but it will cost,  and then simply logistics. If you can pass all that then you have to do years and years of economic assessments and analysis. 

999/1000 targets are duds economically, and of that one that's a 'hit' then again 999/1000 develops into a Mine! It's a big risk but also a big reward. 

What would be and should have been a great benefit and boon would be a RailRoad from Prince Albert up into the North, into the Athabasca Basin, flattening like a mushroom with a line East connecting to Flin Flon and West to Fort McMurray. Now that would create a lot of development. 

Alberta has Railroads to the North, all the way into the North West Territories and Manitoba does as well all the way to Hudsons Bay. Just never happened here, still Frontier! 

There is also a considerable amount of very interesting exploration and exciting finds just to the North of Saskatchewans border into the North West Territories. Landlocked, how do you get product to market?

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, February 24, 2020 9:25 AM

Miningman
999/1000 targets are duds economically, and of that one that's a 'hit' then again 999/1000 develops into a Mine!

Suggest you read this carefully and consider whether different fractions are needed as stated.  We know what you meant, but you need to say it.

This is fortunately not reminiscent of the alleged Naderite at the paper-mill emissions hearing who when he heard the wastewater pH would be between 6.8 and 7.2 leaped up and cried 'We will not accept this sellout, we demand a pH of ZERO!

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, February 24, 2020 12:37 PM

Flintlock76

My God, all those riches in the earth.  It's insanity not to go after them!

 
Only if you can guarantee that the area isn't as poisoned as the area around Butte Montana when the mines play out.
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Posted by Miningman on Monday, February 24, 2020 1:29 PM

The old Gunnar and El Dorado Uranium Mines have undergone heavy remediation over the past 8 years , that includes everything from Tailings Ponds to Underground workings, to rivers and streams. El Dorado is complete and Gunnar has a bit to go yet. Outside of those two the area is pristine. 

When 'we' started up those mines our exact knowledge was far from complete when it came to extracting Uranium, about radiation and its effects and treatment of waste effluents from processing. 

Today's technologies and laws have made unbelievable advances in remediating these situations safely and with great care for the land. 

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, February 24, 2020 1:32 PM

Overmod

 

 
Miningman
999/1000 targets are duds economically, and of that one that's a 'hit' then again 999/1000 develops into a Mine!

 

Suggest you read this carefully and consider whether different fractions are needed as stated.  We know what you meant, but you need to say it.

This is fortunately not reminiscent of the alleged Naderite at the paper-mill emissions hearing who when he heard the wastewater pH would be between 6.8 and 7.2 leaped up and cried 'We will not accept this sellout, we demand a pH of ZERO!

 

Did someone ask the alledged Naderite why he wanted  the water to be STRONGLY acidic?

I know that declaring that a pH of 7.00000 is neither acidic  or alkaline is a mystery to some--but logarithms are a mystery to many.

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, February 24, 2020 1:55 PM

Yeah pH 7 is Neutral. Another strange thing is '0 deg F', which is just another number. Logarithms are one of the few things in Math that were actually easier to do on a slide rule. Not quite as accurate but it worked well enough. Got man to the moon! 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, February 24, 2020 3:40 PM

I guess if you really wanted to give that Naderite a case of the vapors tell him (or her) the atmosphere's full of di-hydrogen monoxide, and WHAT should we do about it?

Can't fool around with that stuff!

http://www.thedistorter.com/dhmo-in-island-schools/  

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, February 24, 2020 4:55 PM

Miningman

Yeah pH 7 is Neutral. Another strange thing is '0 deg F', which is just another number. Logarithms are one of the few things in Math that were actually easier to do on a slide rule. Not quite as accurate but it worked well enough. Got man to the moon! 

 

Yes, if you are satisfied with three significant figures, slde rules are fine. A friend of mine had a twenty inch slide rule; I never asked him if it was good for four sig figs.

When I was doing calculations in quantitative analysis, I used a four place log table.

I still have my 10 inch slde rule--but use a calculator  when I need serious calculation.

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, February 24, 2020 6:11 PM

Well don't get me wrong but I do not use a slide rule any longer and my Texas Instrument Scientific Calculator works and performs just dandy, as it does for my students. Once every 3 years or so I bring in the old slide rule just to show them and boy are they curious and fascinated, they love that old tech manual stuff, for ten minutes anyway. 

Dial phones and 4 speed portable record players too. Always good for a laugh. It's like "Whaaat".

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, February 24, 2020 6:42 PM

I learned the new math.  Like if 2 is equal to 3 and 3 is equal to 2 then 2 plus 2 is 4, 5 and 6 simultaneously.  Smile, Wink & Grin  All elephants are pink.  Nellie is an elephant therefore Nellie is pink.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, February 24, 2020 6:46 PM

I fooled around with N scale for a time due to my brother-in-law "Big B's" malign influence, but eventually returned to O gauge.  N gauge was fascinating though, how they packed those motors into such small engines.  And now they've got sound in the engines and lights in the cars!  Amazing!  No smoke yet, though.

Here's a brief video of "Big B's" clubs traveling roadshow layout.  You could tell it's a North Jersey club just from the Susquehanna locomotives!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxsIVikkjGM  

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 12:39 AM

Penny Trains

I learned the new math.  Like if 2 is equal to 3 and 3 is equal to 2 then 2 plus 2 is 4, 5 and 6 simultaneously.  Smile, Wink & Grin

Well you always throw in a factor of i to the i_th power (sqrt(-1)**sqrt(-1) for theFORTRAN folks and sqrt(-1)^sqrt(-1) for the BASIC crew). That actually truns out to be a positive real "number", where number is in quotes as the value for the can range from essentially zero to ininity in steps with ratios of e to the power of 2*Pi. One the weirder tidbits from my Complex Analysis class.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 7:47 AM

Penny Trains

I learned the new math.  Like if 2 is equal to 3 and 3 is equal to 2 then 2 plus 2 is 4, 5 and 6 simultaneously.  Smile, Wink & Grin  All elephants are pink.  Nellie is an elephant therefore Nellie is pink.

 

Ah, yes--be sure to follow the steps carefully; do not use the short cuts that used to be taught (which I learned  back in grammar school)

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:02 AM

Or you could have fun with Christian mathematics.  Some examples to get you started:

1=3 (commutative)

1=2 (for Roman Catholics)

2=3 (not technically true in the underlying Jewish tradition, as the criteria for 2 vs. 3 witnesses are Talmudically different -- Mr. Klepper will know the appropriate 'weighting function'.)

pi also equals 3 (this helpfully simplifies many trig functions)

1=365

(If we extend scope to the Judeo-Christian tradition, we could always get into gematria and Kabbalistic numerology, which vastly expands the fun use of mathematics as operations of power, for example utilizing numerical classes of locomotive numbering to show an underlying unity of things in the multiverse, or something...)

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:42 AM

Then as they say down South...

"Pi are squared?  Pie ain't square son, pie are round, corn bread are square!" 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:51 AM

Reminds me of the formula that begins B(4i)(4q)...

Or this, told to me in Crossett, Arkansas as being from math class there:

M R ducks

M R not

OSAR

C M wangs

LIB!

M R ducks!

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:59 AM

I was exposed to the "new math" about fifty years ago--I was asked to help a high school student who was supposed to work problems in what was, to me, a complicated manner. For some reason, I did not comprehend the system. I could extract square roots, but the new system seemed too complicated for me.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 10:38 AM

Overmod

Or you could have fun with Christian mathematics.  Some examples to get you started:

1=3 (commutative)

1=2 (for Roman Catholics)

2=3 (not technically true in the underlying Jewish tradition, as the criteria for 2 vs. 3 witnesses are Talmudically different -- Mr. Klepper will know the appropriate 'weighting function'.)

pi also equals 3 (this helpfully simplifies many trig functions)

1=365

(If we extend scope to the Judeo-Christian tradition, we could always get into gematria and Kabbalistic numerology, which vastly expands the fun use of mathematics as operations of power, for example utilizing numerical classes of locomotive numbering to show an underlying unity of things in the multiverse, or something...)

 
A rather offensive way of denigrating religious beliefs by tying them in with mathematical fallacies.
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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:15 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
A rather offensive way of denigrating religious beliefs by tying them in with mathematical fallacies.

True faith, as with true belief, can't be swayed by a little mathematical humor.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 7:21 PM

True but risky.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:51 PM

I noticed on the map that there was a CN line from Edmington to Athabaska on the river.  Did some boats get as far upriver as that town, to cause that rail line to be built?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:06 PM

Overmod

 

 
CSSHEGEWISCH
A rather offensive way of denigrating religious beliefs by tying them in with mathematical fallacies.

 

True faith, as with true belief, can't be swayed by a little mathematical humor.

 

And the truly faithful have good senses of humor and can laugh at themselves.  

A bit of Catholic humor.  Know what the Vatican's phone number is?

Etcum-spiri-two-two-O!   If you're Catholic, you get it!  If you're not, it takes a bit of explaining.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:33 PM

MidlandMike

I noticed on the map that there was a CN line from Edmonton to Athabaska on the river.  Did some boats get as far upriver as that town, to cause that rail line to be built?

Yes.  Athabasca Landing, as it was originally known, was the end of a overland trail from Fort Edmonton.  Steamboats also went upstream, and took a small tributary river to Lesser Slave Lake. 

Partway between Athabasca and Fort McMurray there is a large section of rapids that are impassable to steamboats.  The HBC constructed a short wooden tramway to ease portaging of goods around this impasse:

https://railways.library.ualberta.ca/Chapters-11-7/

Grand Island is located here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/56%C2%B019'41.5%22N+112%C2%B036'31.7%22W/@56.3154929,-112.6295588,10078m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d56.3281838!4d-112.6088114

Once the railway was completed to Waterways (Fort McMurray) it became the new head of navigation on the Athabasca River.  The construction of the Great Slave Railway during the 1960s led to Hay River, NWT becoming the transloading point from rail to barge.

The line from Edmonton to Athabasca was built by Canadian Northern, who intended for Athabasca to become a major junction, with lines heading both northeast to Fort McMurray and northwest to Peace River, via the north shore of Lesser Slave Lake and the then-bustling outpost of Grouard (now a ghost town).  These lines were never built due to CNoR's subsequent bankruptcy.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:39 PM

Miningman

I love the smell of brake smoke in the morning!

None of those units are equipped with dynamic braking, and they have just finished descending the 7 mile, 2.5% Peace River Hill.  The train is crossing the Heart River bridge, and is just entering the town of Peace River. 

During steam days a caboose ran away down that hill, covering the 7 miles in 7 minutes, and somehow did not derail.  It raced across the shared traffic Peace River bridge (narrowly missing a taxi!) and started up the other side, before stalling and rolling back into town at a much reduced speed.  The Peace River station Agent was waiting for it that time, and stopped it with the handbrake.

The old highway seen curving uphill in the background is one heckuva drive in icy winter conditions.....

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:30 AM

Flintlock76
 
Overmod

 

 
CSSHEGEWISCH
A rather offensive way of denigrating religious beliefs by tying them in with mathematical fallacies.

 

True faith, as with true belief, can't be swayed by a little mathematical humor.

 

 

 

And the truly faithful have good senses of humor and can laugh at themselves.  

A bit of Catholic humor.  Know what the Vatican's phone number is?

Etcum-spiri-two-two-O!   If you're Catholic, you get it!  If you're not, it takes a bit of explaining.

 
It isn't that funny.  Anti-Catholicism and anti-Semitism have a long and sordid history in the United States and they appear to be on the upswing.  Too often, these particular hates use so-called "humor" to spread their points.
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