Some Random Classic Pics perhaps worthy of Discussion

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Posted by SD70Dude on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:14 PM

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Diesel Edition 

1)  Now then what do you think the story is here? Determined stride, dangling smoke, likely an official by the way he's dressed. 

At the very least is just begging for a caption.

Or a Conductor who has shed his hat and coat on a hot summer's day. 

"That lazy Switchtender never lines us up.  Oh well, guess I'll do it myself."

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:37 PM

Diesel Edition 

1)  Now then what do you think the story is here? Determined stride, dangling smoke, likely an official by the way he's dressed. 

At the very least is just begging for a caption.

 

2)  A very shiny and clean Pennsy Centre Cab ( Center Cab for those South of the border) . Maybe it's on it's first few days of working, or Pennsy still had a buck or two in the bank.

 

3)  Happy Feet!

 

 

4) Not so Happy Feet ... Pennsy never found out what to do with these, what's it's 'thing' was.

 

 

5)  The 'WASH ME' guy been around a long time. Did this to me a couple of times over the years!

 

 

6) Diesel Edition break... "move away into the background"

 

 

7)  Back when NYCentral was a real thing and had some class. 

 

 

8)  Union Pacific never does anything small. Big Rotary.

Am experiencing technical difficulties .. took some time to post this. Had to do each segment and submit each time and then edit... would not save anything.

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:55 PM

Most of the Amtrak stops on the Vermonter's route are locally owned, and manned by volunteers, even some that don't have shelters.  The Vermonter sees a surprising number of intra-Vermont travelers.

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:55 PM

A volunteer manning a station would make me very nervous if I was Amtrak. Wouldn't like it a bit.  Safety? Training? Wide open to liabilities. Makes you wonder if Amtraks insurance knows about this. No sir, no thank you!

I would have everyone involved including the town, the county, the state sign off on 300 pages of 'Amtrak takes no interest or culpability or anything else',  and the lawyer that drafted it up gets paid by them but appointed by me.  

Otherwise.... get off my lawn ! 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:43 PM

Since the subject of Vermont railroading's come up I hope Father Al's looking in, this is his thing!

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:12 PM

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Might be some quid pro quo however I'm thinking these are guys that just luv it and are eager to get there.

I'm thinking more that it's 'volunteer' from Amtrak's point of view; it's local people, perhaps subsidized by local interests, providing some level of presence or service that Amtrak could never justify funding... or finding government-sanctionable people to work Whistling

Seems to me there was some discussion about how this worked at Northampton, Mass not too long ago...

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:34 PM

Perfect! I'll take it. Sounds like a good pace for me.

Thanks Johnny!

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 5:18 PM

Anything in Wyoming? Occasionally, when the Zephyr is detoured; there are no station stops, only a crew change in Green River, Wyoming.

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:33 PM
CV looking all like its the NYCentral or Union Pacific or something, big time high iron highball railroading . 
 

Central Vermont 

Extra CV 4549 leads train 490 (Chicago-New London, CT) from Montreal to St.Albans, VT. St.Lambert, QC. 1968

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:59 AM

Might be some quid pro quo however I'm thinking these are guys that just luv it and are eager to get there.

Interesting concept for Amtrak though, make it all volunteer from the CEO all the way down. Engineers, cooks, everybody ! Run the whole thing as a 'service to your country and love of trains'.  

If so then I would consider retiring and do something 'gentle'  on board the trains or at the station... I like Wyoming, anything in Wyoming? 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:44 AM

Just a guess on my part, but maybe the volunteer attendants get something out of it?  Say, use of the facilities for local functions, or as a meeting place for local train clubs, historic or model?  Or other things?

You know, a "One hand washes the other" kind of thing? 

I'm not a cynic mind you, but I can't see volunteers keeping facilities up out of the goodness of their hearts, not for long anyway, unless there's some kind of appreciation shown. 

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:52 AM

Yeah I get that... how could you count on someone? Is this not Amtrak? 

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:28 AM

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Volunteer Attendant ? What's that all about? 

 

Unpaid person who opens and closes the waiting room, and keeps it clean.

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:21 AM

Volunteer Attendant ? What's that all about? 

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:27 AM

Montpelier Jct is still in service - or at least will be when the Vermonter's suspension is lifted.  Served by a volunteer attendant like the rest of the Vermonter's stations.

The photo with 4550 is interesting - freight unit with no steam line.  Of course it's summer...  Note also the train order blade down.  CV kept up timetable and train order operation into the 1970s at least - the only signals on CV-owned track  before 1987 were the ABS signals between White River Jct and Windsor, a section which operated under B&M rules.  In the photo with 4928 the St. Albans & Springfield RPO is a Canadian National car, nicely marked "United States Mail Railway Post Office".  The other RPO route served by CN cars was Island Pond & Portland, on the Grand Trunk.

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 1:52 AM
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Posted by Miningman on Monday, May 18, 2020 10:05 PM

rcdrye might be able to identify .. its a pretty distinctive structure .

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, May 18, 2020 9:29 PM

I wonder what station the Ambassador is at.

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, May 18, 2020 7:04 PM

1)  Missouri Pacific #8, Little Rock, Arkansas 1960

Not much left if you take away the mail and express.

 Wow that's a lot of head end! 

 

2)  St. Clair Tunnel ( essentially CNR) July 1958 heading for the St Clair Tunnel.

Its days are coming to an end. As goes the Steam, so goes the Electrics. 

 

3)  CB&Q  Unemployed in Beardstown, Illinois Apr 1960 

Interesting 3 completely different stacks and differing front headlights. 

Also they just kind of 'end' in the grass. 

 

4)  On the CE&I at Glover Tower, near Urbana, Illinois Aug 1959

Weed sprayer. Nice forward view! 

 

5)  Far cry from the glory days of the Ambassador.  1 Baggage, 2 for the folks.

CVR 4928 with the Ambassador near the end of its life. July 1966 Kevin Day Collection 
GP9 equipped with steam generator. EMD 23995 12/1957

 

I like this photo.  Monon 'Thoroughbred' in Chicago June 1967

Running long hood forward with a nice looking Alco C420 and a matched consist! 

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:35 AM

With the IRT power house in the picture, just had to improve it:

 

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Posted by Miningman on Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:23 AM
Whatever else, this random classic shows the IRT Powerhouse, one block south of the 60th St. yard.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:48 PM

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Those walls are pretty high so I can well imagine a kid would be very frustrated trying to get a glimpse of all that.

In the 'old days' all the walls were effectively that high: down the West Side, across the GWB upper deck, toward the interesting end of Pa. 115N.  Combine that with a kid who was patient with interminably waiting to grow a bit bigger to be able to see out ... not realizing that the whole opportunity would be changing out of reach before he did.

I don't remember the 60th St. yard being that large by the time I was looking out for it, which would be hazily in the late '50s but not really until several years into the '60s when I began to recognize things to be looking at.  One great memory was from the mid-Sixties, when we were riding north in a taxicab and what should burst from the end of the tunnel at nearly our speed, just to my right, but a NYC-painted Alco FA.  That was as good as seing a GG1 arching close on the Lincoln Tunnel approach side of the New Jersey Turnpike, which I missed for a couple of needless years when I started driving because I used the default 'western extension' that had recently opened, thinking that the 'Lincoln Tunnel' route was exit-only...

That was before the great collision on the West Side line, which also involved FAs ... and then the great slowing-down, and then the abandonments.  You can imagine my delight at the opening of the Empire Connection... which opened just as I left, forever as it turned out, for the South.

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:10 AM

An 1897 "Official Railway Equipment Register" shows hundreds of "Blue Line" cars operated by carriers as disparate as the New York Central & Hudon River, the Montpelier & Wells River and the Michgan Central, owner of the pictured car.  The operation was something like Pullman for high value freight shipments, with the "Blue Line" acting as an intermediary between shippers and the actual railroads.  The scheme doesn't seem to have lasted very long.  There were other competing "Lines" as well. Part of the "Blue Line's" revenue stream were car-side advertisements like the one for Jackson Wagons.  Referigerator "Lines" lasted much longer, a few even into the 1970s.

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:18 AM

From Magic Mike somewhere in his Long Island Fortress Of Solitude 

The 4th picture down showing the massive NYCentral Yards must be what Overmod was talking about earlier. 

Those walls are pretty high so I can well imagine a kid would be very frustrated trying to get a glimpse of all that.


West Side Highway 

 

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:44 PM

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Mike to the rescue 

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/522065781776399640/

RMS Queen Elizabeth and “from the bottom to the top one can see the Independence, the SS America, the SS United States, the TSS Olympia, the aircraft carrier USS Intrepid, the RMS Mauretania.”
 

While I note the reference, I'd still give the carrier as a Midway and not an Essex, given that on the Pinterest page there is another (B&W) view taken at the same time from a different angle which shows more of the carrier. It is nearly the same size as the Queen Elizabeth. The separate stack and the tripod mast are not features that the Intrepid ever carried, and it is smaller than the Midway class.

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:46 PM

 It was quite common for freight vehicles to carry the name of the manufacturer as a promotion at this time, for use in print advertising.

This usually indicated features of the car concerned. However, this could be advertising  for other products of the car builder.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:28 PM

Nuts!  I missed the carrier in #5!  I can see why, I wasn't looking for it, dazzled as I was by the liners.  But look at how well that navy "Battleship Grey" blends into it's surroundings!  No wonder I missed it.  

Per the Mod-Man's reminisences, I got my NJ drivers license in 1970 at 17, which was the minimum age at the time.  I suppose Overmod's a bit younger than me, but I don't remember them dropping the age to 16.

I DO remember them dropping the legal drinking age from 21 to 18 in 1973.  Woo-hoo!  No more drives up to Rockland County NY!  

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:17 PM

Mike to the rescue 

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/522065781776399640/

RMS Queen Elizabeth and “from the bottom to the top one can see the Independence, the SS America, the SS United States, the TSS Olympia, the aircraft carrier USS Intrepid, the RMS Mauretania.”
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Posted by M636C on Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:12 PM

Somebody missed that there's an aircraft carrier in #5 as well as #6.  Someone astute could probably recognize the type of the many aircraft visible when you realize what you're looking at.

I think I was being targeted there...

The Carrier is a "Midway" class, the others being Coral Sea and Franklin D Roosevelt.

I spent some time looking at the most visible aircraft and came to the conclusion that they were Grumman Panther or Cougar fighters. I can't tell from the low res photo if they have straight wings (Panther) or swept wings (Cougar).

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, May 9, 2020 6:26 PM

Miningman
Not familiar with why you "grind your teeth yet again" regarding the West Side Highway. Can you expand that a wee bit.

In my childhood, when the New York Central yard at about 57th to -72nd St. was alive with all kinds of presumably fascinating trains, and the docks were still alive as far as the eye could see down the river (which wasn't far) the elevated parts of the West Side Highway begun in the Twenties, in part for the Holland Tunnel connections, offered a complete multiple-lane route from close to the George Washington Bridge south, up in the air and grade-separated, all the way around through a tunnel at the southern tip of Manhattan and up the similarly grade-separated East River Drive (I don't remember hearing anyone call it the FDR drive back then) up past the old Harlem Speedway.  In my relatively early youth a massive building program put a lower deck on the George Washington, with enhanced highway approach ramps on and off that circumferential road.  One of the things I looked forward, for years, to being able to do when I got my license was to drive that elevated road, just like low-level flying.

Now, in that era a New Jersey driver could get their license at 16, but it wasn't legal to drive in New York for another year.  I cheated a bit, in the old '62 Thunderbird my father had kept for a 'training' car (it was the ideal car for low-level flight, for a variety of reasons) and so it was that I found myself, on a beautiful fall day, driving south with the top down, over the traffic on the streets, around the curves, watching the river view, and going through the tunnel around to the other side.  No lights, no stopping -- it was just like flying.  And by April I could do it any day I wanted... just like going up to the top of the World Trade Center.

Then some moron in an illegal overweight truck went through part of the road, and the bankrupt Democrats who ran the city didn't have the money to fix it.  There was an ongoing project to put some parts of it on a new higher-speed highway out in the river -- that foundered over concern for the fish who supposedly thrived around all the rotting piers and PCBs.  And what we got in the end was exactly what I was afraid of ... dozens of blocks of multiple-lane taxis and trucks, stopping every few blocks at lights, in a welter of heat and exhaust ... forever.

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