Some Random Classic Pics perhaps worthy of Discussion

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 5:40 AM

Flintlock, from one who rode:  By the end of WWII, most Bay Head Junction PRR trains ran to and from Penn Station, not Exchange Place. Jersey City.  The CNJ trains all ran to Jersey City, of course.  For many years when I used the service for Army leaves and passes and then business trips, there were only two morning inbound and evening outbound PRR  Jersey City trains to and from Bay Head, but this was reduced to one, the Broker, which did not even stop at Souh Amboy.  All PRR NY&LB trains that ran to Jersey City ran through with K4s and then diesels and did not use the GG1s.  The Broker was the last steam passenger train in the immediate NY Metropolitan area.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:39 AM

There were much better ferries in Sydney -- hydrofoils.  At least some were based on the PT-20 design made famous as the Disco Volante -- a wonderful name for a car, too -- in Thunderball.

In appearance, though, even these were not quite up to the standard of the Alekseyev Projekt-340 Raketas (think of a chopped '57 Chevy on top of a '50s-modern railroad car that cruises at 40kt).  (The succeeding Kometas were even more Googie spectacular, but not to my eyes as stylishly 'wicked fast'.

For a short but wonderful time one of these was brought to Tortola, in the BVI, and was used as the ferry from St. Thomas (in competition with the Antilles Airboats Geese -- it was traveler's heaven).  Alas! the owners had an issue with the engine (which I was told was a license-built Mercedes twin-turbo V-12, a sophisticated engine for the time) and made the mistake of disassembling it while waiting for parts.  Unfortunately the alloys proved dramatically susceptible to accelerated and vicious corrosion, the upshot being that when I next saw the ship the block was a furry mass of red and it was obvious a re-engining was going to be necessary.

Well, right at this time I had been bouncing around reviving passenger-ferry service on the Hudson, using a report on high-speed ships and the original history of the Erie Northern branch in Englewood.  This would use a high-speed boat touching at Alpine, Englewood Cliffs, and Edgewater which would then proceed right around the tip of Manhattan to reach the Wall Street area.  Now what I figured was that a rebuilt Raketa would be perfect to start this.  Then as traffic increased we could contract for a couple of those Boeing banking-hydrofoil hulls, flip the ferry line, and wind up with a fine 'engineer's private yacht'.  I casually mentioned this to Terry at Long Bay Hotel one afternoon and he said 'Oh, you know she's for sale' and invited me to meet with 'her solicitors' -- who, as it turned out, were contemplating a price of about $2400 for her.  A quick tow to Florida and refit, an excursion paying her way up past Atlantic Highlands, and away we go... but not so fast.  President Carter, who I otherwise liked, had agitated to ban imports of anything 'Russian' and this included stuff sent to the islands (this was the glorious era that you could get duty-free Stoli 100 for $1.50 a bottle) -- and there went the grand idea.  

Still... look at one of these up close and you will probably share the interest.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:12 AM

Flintlock, from one who rode:  By the end of WWII, most Bay Head Junction PRR trains ran to and from Penn Station, not Exchange Place. Jersey City.

As usual you're right David, but that was my "Jersey Central On The Brain" syndrome kicking in!  I forgot about the PRR being just a little different.

The picture had me guessing a bit last night, as I told Vince by e-mail.  The topography looks very similar to a section of the old PRR mainline that parallels Route 95 in Delaware.  Then I looked again and was reminded of a photo in a Don Ball book I've got on the PRR.  Pulled the book and sure enough there it was, the section just south of the South Amboy station, and taken from darn near the same angle.  

Too bad about the "Submarine" Peter, it looked to me it might have made someone a nice houseboat or yacht if they wanted to put some money into it, what what can you do?  Maybe it was too far gone to bring back. 

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:50 AM

It does look a lot like Claymont (where the GG1 high-speed record was set during testing) but there are different little hills, and the water 'beyond' is a different color.

The only other place that looks like this is the Atlantic Highlands area.

Part of the key here is that Baldwins and E units don't multiple.  Someone made that train up to match the power of the one E unit, and the Baldwins stayed made up in pairs like this during regular service -- so you had a road failure and they sent first available power out to retrieve it.  They would have little trouble recovering time on the schedule with that, dead E or not.

I have film of rush-hour operation with Baldwins and EMDs in the same consist ... doubtless with an unusually long train loaded near capacity.  But of course you see engineers in both relevant cab windows...


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