Very strange things

23468 views
779 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    January 2019
  • 380 posts
Posted by Erik_Mag on Friday, January 24, 2020 12:31 AM

It sure does.

About 17 years later, GE would take that design, stretch the frames to allow for one extra powered axle on each side of the center articulation, add a mid-40's streamlined cab and attempt to sell it to the Russians (Little Joe).

  • Member since
    May 2012
  • 3,975 posts
Posted by rcdrye on Friday, January 24, 2020 6:19 AM

Along with the named cars NYC got some extra 56-seat coaches.  One of them was later named for Gov. Thomas E. Dewey, who was in office when the cars were delivered.

  • Member since
    September 2013
  • 5,538 posts
Posted by Miningman on Friday, January 24, 2020 9:48 AM

On your mark... get set... go! 

 

2) "Now listen Frank, you just can't go around punching E units in the face!"

( Birmingham, Alabama 1959 FYI) 

 

3) Overlooked C&EI had a pair of BL2's ... who knew!?

( anyone out there have a good colour photo of one of these?)

 

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: At the Crossroads of the West
  • 10,716 posts
Posted by Deggesty on Friday, January 24, 2020 11:11 AM

Miningman

On your mark... get set... go! 

 

2) "Now listen Frank, you just can't go around punching F units in the face!"

( Birmingham, Alabama 1959 FYI) 

 

3) Overlooked C&EI had a pair of BL2's ... who knew!?

( anyone out there have a good colour photo of one of these?)

 

 

The picture in Birmingham looks like the Silver Comet and the Birmingham Special.

Johnny

  • Member since
    April 2018
  • 1,417 posts
Posted by Jones1945 on Friday, January 24, 2020 12:34 PM

Miningman

On your mark... get set... go! 

 #1, I have been doing this weekly on my YouTube channel since 10 months ago Stick out tongue

Miningman

2) "Now listen Frank, you just can't go around punching F units in the face!"

( Birmingham, Alabama 1959 FYI) 

Role Play: "(Drunk Voice) First...... I am no Frank... and don't you call me Frank again...! Second...... I am going to punch it just because I can! I CAN... even though my mentor said that the E unit and F unit are good looking diesel..."

 

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 10,506 posts
Posted by Overmod on Friday, January 24, 2020 1:42 PM

Jones1945
Miningman
2) "Now listen Frank, you just can't go around punching F units in the face!" (Birmingham, Alabama 1959 FYI)
Role Play: "(Drunk Voice) First...... I am no Frank... and don't you call me Frank again...! Second...... I am going to punch it just because I can! I CAN... even though my mentor said that the E unit and F unit are good looking diesel..."  

This would be far funnier if, in fact, there were an F unit involved here.  That is another E unit, as immediately seen from the flush numberboards and central gangway door, if you can't tell from what is visible of the truck detail.

Compare here: (OK, so it's an excuse to roll some green-and-gold video...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NVMhvv4TUw

Pause around 1:57 in a parallel window and compare spotting details...

  • Member since
    April 2018
  • 1,417 posts
Posted by Jones1945 on Friday, January 24, 2020 2:26 PM

Overmod
 
Jones1945
 
Miningman
2) "Now listen Frank, you just can't go around punching F units in the face!" (Birmingham, Alabama 1959 FYI)
Role Play: "(Drunk Voice) First...... I am no Frank... and don't you call me Frank again...! Second...... I am going to punch it just because I can! I CAN... even though my mentor said that the E unit and F unit are good looking diesel..."   

This would be far funnier if, in fact, there were an F unit involved here.  That is another E unit, as immediately seen from the flush numberboards and central gangway door, if you can't tell from what is visible of the truck detail.

Compare here: (OK, so it's an excuse to roll some green-and-gold video...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NVMhvv4TUw

Pause around 1:57 in a parallel window and compare spotting details...

 

"Mother is god in the eyes of a child"  - Rose Da Silva in that overbudget B movie...

 

 "Diesel all look the same in the eyes of steam lover" - A random drunk guy in the pub

 

Whistling

  • Member since
    September 2013
  • 5,538 posts
Posted by Miningman on Friday, January 24, 2020 2:48 PM

Ok I fixed it.. now an E unit. Guess I was focused too much on the nose , but yeah, clearly an E. 

Wonder if they called a dentist! 

Jonsey's correct as well though .. same dang thing to a steam lover. 

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 3,693 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, January 24, 2020 3:31 PM

The "Steam streamliners getting ready to have a drag race" image Mr. Jones posted?

My money's on Mighty 611!  She ain't gonna let herself get beat by those damn Yankee engines!  

N&W HAD to call it a "Class J,"  NO WAY were they going to call it a "Northern!"

That C&O "banana" is a friendly rival, but she won't let that one win either!

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 10,506 posts
Posted by Overmod on Friday, January 24, 2020 4:06 PM

Jones1945
 "Diesel all look the same in the eyes of steam lover" - A random drunk guy in the pub

To which I say, drawing myself up:  "I am as much a steam lover as anyone else on this forum, and Diesels don't all look the same to me!"

You can take your Raymond Tylicki out to sea and sink him over the Andrea Doria for all I care about random drunk opinion.

  • Member since
    September 2013
  • 5,538 posts
Posted by Miningman on Friday, January 24, 2020 5:46 PM

I recall as a kid spotting a headlight and waiting.. and listening intently, and as soon as it was recognizable as a Diesel I would say " nah, just a stupid Diesel"  Geep or covered wagon, didn't even look, just a stupid Diesel.. turn back around to catch the caboose and wave. If it wasn't steam it was disappointing. That was the rule of the day.

As for Raymond and drunkards, well 'But for the grace of God go I'. 

Growing up with drunks for Uncles I have learned well to simply avoid, but I wish them no harm. 

My younger only brother by 6 years drank himself to death, always in some kind of trouble especially later in life. I don't know I just don't know, troubling and haunting. 

  • Member since
    September 2010
  • From: Parma Heights Ohio
  • 3,296 posts
Posted by Penny Trains on Friday, January 24, 2020 7:40 PM

My best friend did the same thing about 3 1/2 years ago.

Big Smile  I'm Cuckoo For Choo Choo Stuffs!  Big Smile

NDG
  • Member since
    December 2013
  • 1,349 posts
Posted by NDG on Friday, January 24, 2020 8:26 PM

 

My younger only brother by 6 years drank himself to death, always in some kind of trouble especially later in life. I don't know I just don't know, troubling and haunting. 

 

A friend shot himself @ age 19.

And I learned how to Cry.

 

Thank You.

 
  • Member since
    April 2018
  • 1,417 posts
Posted by Jones1945 on Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:33 AM

More than fifty million of civilian are abandoned and left to die in mainland China at this very moment, 

the 350kph High-Speed Railway system has become a short cut for the coronavirus spreading!

Can I have one last drink, please? Beer

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 3,693 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:46 AM

Yes you can Mr. Jones, you're entitiled, and make it good and strong to kill the bug!

Try "Makers Mark Cask Strength" bourbon if there's any available.  112 proof!  Wow! 

I only take a shot on the coldest days. 

And you be careful over there!  Please! 

Those "Drank himself to death" stories are tragic, to say the least.  Did any of you know Mr. Trump's older brother did the same?  That's why Mr. Trump doesn't drink, at all.  

Jeez, let's get back to trains, QUICK!

  • Member since
    April 2018
  • 1,417 posts
Posted by Jones1945 on Saturday, January 25, 2020 11:42 AM

Flintlock76

Yes you can Mr. Jones, you're entitiled, and make it good and strong to kill the bug!

Try "Makers Mark Cask Strength" bourbon if there's any available.  112 proof!  Wow! 

I only take a shot on the coldest days. 

And you be careful over there!  Please! 

Those "Drank himself to death" stories are tragic, to say the least.  Did any of you know Mr. Trump's older brother did the same?  That's why Mr. Trump doesn't drink, at all.  

Jeez, let's get back to trains, QUICK! 

Cheers to good friends, good health, Wayne! 

Believe it or not, I seldom drink in my spare time, but I do enjoy having drinks with my friends.

 Fill the glass!

Lounge car on the ATSF El Capitan. LIFE Aug 21, 1939

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 3,693 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, January 25, 2020 1:45 PM

And in the spirit of the El Capitan  lounge car, and to inject some badly needed humor, there's this story.

One of the "Trains" staffers, Mike Yuhas I believe, grew up along the Long Island Railroad.  As Mike said...

"I always used to wave at the trains, but nobody ever waved back.  Except the people in the bar car, they always  waved back!"

I wonder why?   Wink

  • Member since
    April 2018
  • 1,417 posts
Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, January 26, 2020 12:49 PM

Flintlock76

And in the spirit of the El Capitan  lounge car, and to inject some badly needed humor, there's this story.

One of the "Trains" staffers, Mike Yuhas I believe, grew up along the Long Island Railroad.  As Mike said...

"I always used to wave at the trains, but nobody ever waved back.  Except the people in the bar car, they always  waved back!"

I wonder why?   Wink

BeerWink

  • Member since
    April 2018
  • 1,417 posts
Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:09 PM

rcdrye

Along with the named cars NYC got some extra 56-seat coaches.  One of them was later named for Gov. Thomas E. Dewey, who was in office when the cars were delivered.

One more thing about the Empire State Express I forgot to mention. Many people including me forgot the names of the designer who created the streamlined shrouding of the E-S-E Hudson, they were Mr. Chase H. Knowlton and Mr. George M. Davies! It wasn't easy to create something as impressive as the Dreyfuss Hudson, they did a great job and their efforts have paid off.

Herkimer County, NY Historical Society Archives.

Late 1942 Train #51 of the New York Central System the "Empire State Express" train consist.

 

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 3,693 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, January 26, 2020 5:08 PM

Some folks thing the E-S-E streamlined Hudson looks better than the Dreyfuss Hudson.  I'm not one of them, but I like them both!  They're both lookers!

  • Member since
    September 2013
  • 5,538 posts
Posted by Miningman on Thursday, February 6, 2020 10:45 PM

1) Russian TEM 7A Heavy Shunting Locomotive

 

2) Dosen't get much simpler than this.. at least he won't run out of coal.. more tender than locomotive! ( yes I know the boiler is under the coal)

 

3)  "Save Our Tracks"... abandoned elevated NYC

 

4) KCS Commemorative ... Well ok , but.....no.

What say you?

 

5) Comedy break time! 

UP sets PSR record delivering 58,753 cars to Chicago. Problem... they didn't know what to do once they got there with the train. Traffic backed up to Timmins, Ontario.

 

6)  " If they think I'm taking out that Diesel they better think again"

 

7)  Some ads that would not fly today.

Well now this one might, not much changed really.

 8) Now this is quite a contraption .. study it for a while!

Pin image
 
Saved from robertpiers.tumblr.com
  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 10,506 posts
Posted by Overmod on Friday, February 7, 2020 6:33 AM

Your #1 is not a TEM 7A, it's a TEM 8A. (See Red Dot design awards). I believe most of these 16-wheel TEMs are road-switchers, not centercabs; the 7/7A have very interesting span-bolster B-B trucks instead of the Russian-designed eight-wheel type seen on the 8A. These are supposed to have two 8-cylinder engines for a total of 2400hp. Note the cab window treatment -- this opens interesting possibilities, albeit raising some fairly severe cab-safety issues (compare the discussion of glazing in S-580 cab development in North America).

Reply was temporarily disabled for normal vs. quick reply this morning -- I think the IT elves are cobbling.

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 10,506 posts
Posted by Overmod on Friday, February 7, 2020 6:37 AM

I submit we add this to the category:

If I get enough expression of interest I'll work up more formal design and see if I can put a trust together to build it... 

  • Member since
    September 2013
  • 5,538 posts
Posted by Miningman on Friday, February 7, 2020 9:23 AM

Superb. I like the elevated ditch lights and the front driver mud guard. Not sure how you get in... perhaps that hatch by the 'tender'. 

Could be steam or Diesel, an option for each? Or perhaps bush button selection. At least it shows some thinking!

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 3,693 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, February 7, 2020 9:40 AM

Overmod

I submit we add this to the category:

If I get enough expression of interest I'll work up more formal design and see if I can put a trust together to build it... 

 

What the hell is THAT?

Jeez!  And people said the Union Pacific's streamlined Pacific used on the "49er" looked like a slug!  This thing  looks like a psychotic Moby Dick with drivers!

Taking Vinces pictures seriatim...  

1)  Yep, Russian all right.  They can't get past "Socialist Realism," that is, it doesn't have to look good, it just has to work!

2)  That mini-steamer's cool! I want one for the back yard!

3)  The NYC elevated.  That particular section's obviously outlived it's usefulness, or someone thinks it has.

4)  Um, I appreciate the sentiment, I really do, but I think that KCS locomotive's a bit over the top.  Need to dial it back a bit.  Sometimes less is more.

5)  All those diesels!  A "Prosperity Special" for the 21st Century?

6)  Reminds me of a story of a Southern Railway's roundhouse foreman when the first diesels began to show up...

"You ain't bringin' those streetcars in MY SHOP!"

7)  Great ad from the "Fabulous 50's," and yeah, it's too archaic, wouldn't work now.  But it's cute!  Speaking of cute, we used to have those cast-iron street mailboxes years ago too.  All gone now.  

8)  Forget what I said about #2!  I want THIS one!

 

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • 10,506 posts
Posted by Overmod on Friday, February 7, 2020 10:33 AM

Flintlock76
 What the hell is THAT?

Concept art for the SF movie "Snowpiercer".

(The train in the actual film was, as I recall, very different)

This looks to me as if derived from the Russian IS 2-8-4 that received the Kantola-esque shroud.  I'm tempted to say you could easily use one of those 'ignored' AMC Berkshires as a starting point and get something highly interesting... it's really not much more radical than C&O 490.

Taking Vinces pictures seriatim...  

1)  Yep, Russian all right.  They can't get past "Socialist Realism," that is, it doesn't have to look good, it just has to work!

Looks like a mid-2000s Audi to me, and they could have done this fully explicitly with only a little tinkering.  The 'regular' TEP 7s don't have this look, and neither do the 'newer' versions of the general engine design, so this is indeed a styling 'thing'...

3)  The NYC elevated.  That particular section's obviously outlived it's usefulness, or someone thinks it has.

Is it not part of what is now the "High Line" park?

4)  Um, I appreciate the sentiment, I really do, but I think that KCS locomotive's a bit over the top.  Need to dial it back a bit.

Compared to almost any recent 'commemorative' design, including any of the other ones celebrating armed forces -- and a very, very long subset of 'Bicentennial' schemes -- this is a paragon of taste.  My only real 'complaint' is that the back end is drab.  Probably by intent, but it would be easy to fix with a little something that picks up whatever the 'theme' is intended to be: flags, national pride, etc.

I argued years ago that one of the World War I commemoratives ought to be dazzle-painted, which can be incredibly striking and in many respects still 'modern-looking'.  The problem, of course, is that effective schemes to make something large 'not be seen' is, shall we say, amazingly counterproductive for locomotives that drivers and trespassers should avoid...

5)  All those diesels!  A "Prosperity Special" for the 21st Century?

Yeah, promotion for the investor class, over the fact that all those locomotives are leaving  the property -- cutting expenses and adding revenue to the year's bottom line as they go, and being a lovely Armour-yellow billboard advertising the magnitude of the fact.  Perhaps it's more than a bit like that German stunt with the cruise ship in the late 1930s -- tour the train of locomotives around the country, laughing as railroad after railroad refuses to acquire them... 

6)  Reminds me of a story of a Southern Railway's roundhouse foreman when the first diesels began to show up...

"You ain't bringin' those streetcars in MY SHOP!"

Well, some of those were DL-109s, and the ATSF story about their 'streetcar motors' dripping solder on the ties of Raton Pass is recorded.  (Right after the anecdote about how the sides went in and out as the units idled, and the things shook the dining car tightlock-coupled behind in consist so hard coffee slopped out of cups...)

I can see why he might have heard enough to be upset at this.

I would also be interested to see how his attitude changed with a little more experience of the good ones.  Southern dieselized remarkably early.

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 3,693 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, February 7, 2020 11:34 AM

Considering how fast the Southern dieselized I very much doubt if they cared what that roundhouse foreman's attitude was.  

"You don't like 'em Pop? Well learn to like 'em, or there's the door!"  

Considering Bicentennial schemes.  Some were good, some not so good, some downright bizarre, but in my humble opinion the lowly Susquehanna had the best of them all.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/35796790453  

Simple, understated, and tastefully done.

As far as military tribute locomotives go I think the recent efforts from Canadian Pacific are superb!

  • Member since
    March 2016
  • From: Burbank IL (near Clearing)
  • 11,798 posts
Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, February 8, 2020 10:13 AM
The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 3,693 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, February 8, 2020 7:46 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

Not bad, not bad at all!

The red and blue striping on the IHB switcher reminds me of the North Carolina militia flag used at the Battle of Guilford Courthouse in 1781.  Have a look...

http://www.ncpedia.org/guilford-courthouse-flag  

I call it the "Betsy Ross on drugs" flag.  Whistling

  • Member since
    September 2013
  • 5,538 posts
Posted by Miningman on Monday, February 10, 2020 9:52 PM

Classic? Yes because we are dealing with 100 years.

Strange Thing--  Yes. This is what CN comes up with for their 100 year anniversary?  The only people impressed with this are the investors as CN must have spent at least $27.00 at Staples to come up with this peel and stick embarrassment. 

This is ridiculously ridiculous. It's a banana duct taped to the wall, nothing more than that.

SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP

Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter