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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, September 16, 2019 8:42 AM

I'll tell you one of the biggest changes that happened after WW2, I've noticed it, Lady Firestorm noticed it, and I wonder if anyone else has?

It's in Hollywood movies.  It seems that right after the war the "Film Noir" cycle began, you know, the dark, dreary, depressing, cynical urban crime dramas?

It's almost as if the attitude was "Yeah, we won the war, saved the world, so what?  Big deal!  Everything still stinks!"

Post-war films just don't seem to have the sense of fun and wonder the pre-war films do.  Know what I mean?  

I won't say post-war cynicism killed the S1, or even the T1's, that was just foolishness, but sometimes I wonder.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Monday, September 16, 2019 12:59 AM

Flintlock76

Getting back to things S1...

I found this really neat video, actually it found me, concerning the mighty S1.

Capitaine  Raymond Lowey even makes an appearance!

The music may be a bit grandiose, but Pennsy fans probably won't think so.

Check it out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0-Ex6LH2g  

What a shame it wasn't saved, even as a "stuffed-and-mounted" museum piece.

Amazing video! The video creator is a subscriber of our channel, I love his production as well. The S1 was scrapped because, I believe, that many in the PRR management thought that it was an embarrassment for them, and the company as well. The world turned upside down after WWII, not only steam engine like the S1; even steam-powered engine was considered obsolete. The general public probably looking for new stuff that can help them to forget about the war, that led to the massacre of steam engines. But I can see even the younger generation today loves steam locomotive, and maybe someday all these beautiful art deco streamliner will come back like the 5550. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:50 PM

"They no longer exist because they did not deserve to."

Yeah, that's one way of looking at it, and in more ways than one.

The PRR reminds me of a quote from a young Abe Lincoln, it's from a speech he made in 1837..."

"As a nation of free men we will live forever, or die by suicide!"  

Pretty much what happened to the PRR, for various reasons.

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:04 PM

Ten years after construction it was scrapped. Absolutely insane, bone headed, sickening move. Very little usage too! Bunch of friggin pinheads. 

T1's, Q2's as well. Scrap 'em. Can't wait. 

Oh yeah the Diesels really saved their sorry butts. 

Tear down Pennsylvania Station.. unbelievable.  

<zero respect. They no longer exist because they did not deserve to. 

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, September 14, 2019 5:06 PM

Getting back to things S1...

I found this really neat video, actually it found me, concerning the mighty S1.

Capitaine  Raymond Lowey even makes an appearance!

The music may be a bit grandiose, but Pennsy fans probably won't think so.

Check it out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0-Ex6LH2g  

What a shame it wasn't saved, even as a "stuffed-and-mounted" museum piece.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, September 13, 2019 4:23 PM

Jones1945
 
BaltACD 
Jones1945

 16:11 - Arrive L.A Union Station, 25:45 - Southern Pacific "The Lark"

Thank You.Coffee 

While the video is a CGI tour de'force - the actions of the humans and the things they do or operate is very 'notchy and robotic'. 

Thank you for watching it. Smile It is actually an eight years old computer game "L.A. Noire" but not a computer-animated movies (CGI), that's why. Not only the movement of the characters, the graphic and level of detail in the game are quite dated. But there wasn't any open sandbox game set in the 1940s since then, and this is the only one game that rebuilt a 1:1 L.A Union Station and a significant proportion of the city, including many landmarks that were long gone. I do wish there was a company, game development company or education organization, could rebuild some major America cities (in the 1930s/40s) in a 1:1 scale with updated technology. Coffee 

To the man from the future who are reading this: could you please rebuild this planet earth in your "computer"?

Not a Gamer and I would never have guessed it originated from a game scenario.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Friday, September 13, 2019 9:40 AM

Flintlock76

I suspected that was a computer game.  While the CGI was excellent the "camera work" left a lot to be desired, gave me eyestrain with all the jumping around.

Anyone who wants to do a "Film Noir" video game should try binge watching some classic Hollywood post-war movies for a tutorial.  

 

Yeah, it is a "gameplay footage" so there is no way to set the camera angle, can't even zoom in or zoom out. I wasn't doing mission in the footage, just trying to use this game as a "classic car simulator" to create a video for my train simulator YouTube channel. The game itself is quite popular and well received which 5 million copies were sold by 2012.Coffee

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, September 12, 2019 12:43 PM

I suspected that was a computer game.  While the CGI was excellent the "camera work" left a lot to be desired, gave me eyestrain with all the jumping around.

Anyone who wants to do a "Film Noir" video game should try binge watching some classic Hollywood post-war movies for a tutorial. 

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Posted by Jones1945 on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM

BaltACD

 

 
Jones1945

 16:11 - Arrive L.A Union Station, 25:45 - Southern Pacific "The Lark"

Thank You.Coffee

 

While the video is a CGI tour de'force - the actions of the humans and the things they do or operate is very 'notchy and robotic'.

Thank you for watching it. Smile It is actually an eight years old computer game "L.A. Noire" but not a computer-animated movies (CGI), that's why. Not only the movement of the characters, the graphic and level of detail in the game are quite dated. But there wasn't any open sandbox game set in the 1940s since then, and this is the only one game that rebuilt a 1:1 L.A Union Station and a significant proportion of the city, including many landmarks that were long gone. I do wish there was a company, game development company or education organization, could rebuild some major America cities (in the 1930s/40s) in a 1:1 scale with updated technology. Coffee 

To the man from the future who are reading this: could you please rebuild this planet earth in your "computer"?

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:18 AM

Jones1945

 16:11 - Arrive L.A Union Station, 25:45 - Southern Pacific "The Lark"

Thank You.Coffee

While the video is a CGI tour de'force - the actions of the humans and the things they do or operate is very 'notchy and robotic'.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 4:21 AM

Southern Pacific, The Lark (proposed two-tone gray livery for GS2,3,4,5) in Trainz Simulator.


 16:11 - Arrive L.A Union Station, 25:45 - Southern Pacific "The Lark"

Thank You.Coffee

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Posted by Jones1945 on Saturday, September 7, 2019 6:54 AM

My friend James sent me some updates of the work in progress 3D model of PRR S1 for "Train Simulator 2019", another fascinating freeware by (Darlan Gomes) and RailWanderer (John R. Williams) for everyone to enjoy.

 

You could find more pics of this awesome project on DSGDDR's Flickr photo album. Thank you!

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A 3D PRR T1 prototype, looks like a model ready to be printed out by a 3D printer.Coffee

 

https://freelancers3d.com/en/portfolio/2609/steam-locomotive-prr-s1

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Posted by Jones1945 on Friday, July 12, 2019 4:50 AM

The NYC J-3a Hudson and Dreyfuss Hudson (Boxpok drivers) for TS2019 (Train Simulator 2019), created by DSGDDR (Darlan Gomes) and RailWanderer (John R. Williams), is already available at Digital Railroading for FREE :

 

| Part One: Dreyfuss Hudson hauling 800+ tons | | Part Two (15:49): Dreyfuss Hudson hauling 1400+ tons | Part Three (30:21): NYC J-3a Hudson hauling 800+ tons| ====(Click "Read More" for the download link if you are watching on PC or laptop)====

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Posted by Jones1945 on Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:31 AM

I found four sets of rendering of the UP "Big Boy" front and rear engine bed from the gallery of Autodesk's community, a 3D model created by a retired aerospace engineer Mr. William Jones (his profile and other works: https://gallery.autodesk.com/fusion360/users/JWJ6PVFH7GTY ) for his live steam engine project. He was looking for someone who could cast the beds for him 2 years ago.

https://gallery.autodesk.com/fusion360/projects/81222/locomotive-bed-front-engine-union-pacific-big-boy 

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Posted by Jones1945 on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 3:30 PM

I am glad to see that many youngsters keep expressing their passion for the steam engine by creating the 3D train models for computer simulator and model railroading. This 3D artist is creating a new model of the PRR S1 6-4-4-6 for the "Train Simulator 2019". If you like his work, please don't hesitate to show him some love! 

http://railworksamerica.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=21210&p=243609&hilit=Pennsy#p243609

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Posted by Jones1945 on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 12:22 PM

Overmod
Jones1945

The PRR Baldwin BP-20 "Passenger Shark" and the postwar Broadway Limited is available for train simulator now

Have they modeled the actual physics for these locomotives, particularly their rapid acceleration potential compared to contemporary competition (and even some modern designs?)

These things could accelerate radically better than, say, E units, both from a standing start and in the low-to-intermediate range above the low-speed motor limitations for hexapoles.  That is one substantial reason they found a home on the Long Branch commuter trains, and were happily kept running until PRR for "political" reasons decided to get rid of all the minority locomotives on a prioritized basis in 1963. 

Yes, Mr. Overmod. The physic engine in DTM's Train Simulator aka TS2019 is far better than Trainz in my opinion, the vehicle dynamic is calculated and rendered in a much more realistic way. *Base on my observation, the rail and the wheel are 3D solid objects so that friction between the rail and the driver of the locomotives was calculated and rendered. Unlike Trainz, where the rail and the driver are just a 3D mesh with surfaces. Therefore, if you create a driver with a shorter axle length than normal in DTM's 2019, the wheel will be swaying left and right on the track.

However, many users suspect that the script of the Broadway Limited is bugged, it seems that the train break is applied all the time and can't be released, causing brakes dragging on the whole train. We stated publicly on our YouTube channel that we inclined to not recommend this product until DTM fixed the problem, that's why I didn't provide the direct link of the DLC. I believe our forumer who interested in Train Simulation are smart enough to read the reviews before buying, although the DLC only worth about 15 USD and we still purchased it after reading the reviews. 

Regarding the realism of this DLC/Add-on, I would like to leave it to you to decide. I recorded a video which consists of 3 parts, part II starting from 10:00, the last one starting from 24:23, I will keep adding timestamp and description on the YouTube page and here as well. The Video is unlisted but it should be working for everyone who knows the link of it:

PRR BP-20 TESTING 

New Haven to New York Penn Station, 0-0.6% gradient, 545-1245 tons stock) 

Part I: BP-20 A unit + 545 tons passenger stock: 52mph reached (08:54), break Test (09:05) 

Part II ( 10:00 ) A-B-A unit + 545 tons passenger stock: 60mph reached (12:39), 65mph reached (13:50), hitting top speed 70mph (16:48), testing the speed of the A-B-A set (18:35), hitting 84.3mph (21:34), break Test (22:04) engine full stop (23:36)

Part III (24:23 ) A-B-A unit + 1245 tons passenger stock: 33.1mph reached (29:33), 39.7mph reached (32.40), waiting for Overmod in the observation car (35:56), passenger car truck close up and loco brake test (36:50), emergency brake testing (37:29),train full stop (37:51), testing the speed of the A-B-A set (38:54), 82.5mph reached (42:42), emergency brake testing (43:16), full stop (44:02)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPf8b9IKVVY

Overmod

The potentially sad part of this is that PRR famously rebuilt a set of Sharks with Alco running gear, but little of the Westinghouse electrical gear was compatible so what you wound up with was essentially an Alco locomotive 'above the deck'.  Meanwhile of course PRR had rather famously tested a six-motor 2400hp Alco as a commuter locomotive and found it really capable ... but had no money to spend on acquiring a fleet for what was by then a money-losing set of operations.  Might have been interesting to see what a government-sponsored rebuild after the mid-Sixties might have involved, with a 2400hp 251 powering hexapole motors (or, grudgingly, heavy-frame 752s or even 751s if you needed to keep it 'all in the family' with Alco motor-parts support).  Project might even have kept Alco in the locomotive market longer...

Ah, "the saddest words of tongue or pen ..."*

*(I could quote the original, but both the scansion and the meter suck... I use Euclid's famous phrase to fill it out in my version) 

I am really not familiar with PRR's diesels, I assume that the Alco diesel you mentioned was RSD-12 isn't it? I think the front end design of the Alco RS11 was quite good looking, if the RSD-12 which had a similar front end design had a chance to became the prime power of PRR's commuter trains (or even became the prime power for crack trains), that would be very cool. (I don't like diesel for freight service or ATSF's EMD F7s just because they were using a 4-wheel truck and had a rather short body length)

The scenario of Maud Muller and the Judge could be applied to the train simulation world. It might have been the best educational software if Microsoft didn't cancel their "Train Simulator 2" in 2002 (?), it would have been a perfect combination of DTM's Train Simulator and Trainz offering up to date graphic, best physic engine and diverse (Free) content.

Now, folks who love America's classic locomotive have no choice but to use Trainz, which allow user to create their own content (but with less impressive graphic) while DTM's Train Simulator mainly focus on EU market and seldom creating any classic train content of North America.

But we probably will never understand the Eternal's will...... only God knows what would have happened if Maud Muller married the Judge! Though, in real life,  I am quite sure that Blanche Monnier's mother was as vicious as the devil!

What might have been if Monnier eloped with her boyfriend that night they hesitated? 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 27, 2019 9:55 AM

Jones1945

The PRR Baldwin BP-20 "Passenger Shark" and the postwar Broadway Limited is available for train simulator now

Have they modeled the actual physics for these locomotives, particularly their rapid acceleration potential compared to contemporary competition (and even some modern designs?)

These things could accelerate radically better than, say, E units, both from a standing start and in the low-to-intermediate range above the low-speed motor limitations for hexapoles.  That is one substantial reason they found a home on the Long Branch commuter trains, and were happily kept running until PRR for "political" reasons decided to get rid of all the minority locomotives on a prioritized basis in 1963. 

The potentially sad part of this is that PRR famously rebuilt a set of Sharks with Alco running gear, but little of the Westinghouse electrical gear was compatible so what you wound up with was essentially an Alco locomotive 'above the deck'.  Meanwhile of course PRR had rather famously tested a six-motor 2400hp Alco as a commuter locomotive and found it really capable ... but had no money to spend on acquiring a fleet for what was by then a money-losing set of operations.  Might have been interesting to see what a government-sponsored rebuild after the mid-Sixties might have involved, with a 2400hp 251 powering hexapole motors (or, grudgingly, heavy-frame 752s or even 751s if you needed to keep it 'all in the family' with Alco motor-parts support).  Project might even have kept Alco in the locomotive market longer...

Ah, "the saddest words of tongue or pen ..."*

*(I could quote the original, but both the scansion and the meter suck... I use Euclid's famous phrase to fill it out in my version)

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:35 AM

The PRR Baldwin BP-20 "Passenger Shark" and the postwar Broadway Limited is available for train simulator now.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, May 19, 2019 5:30 AM

New NYC Husdons for "Train Simulator 2019" work in progress.

Railworks "Train Simulator 2019" offers a much higher level of details, lighting, sound and texture rendering. At 18:10 in this video, the 3D artist demonstrates a feature that can't be found on "Trainz" (another train simulator) or even on my HO scale brass train collection in real life. Though Trainz offers a much higher degrees of freedom in the game and much easier content creation, sharing and editing. (If you want me to add your face on the front end of a train, just send me the pic)

The NYC Hudsons, a PRR T1 (Phototrype) and PRR Class G5 will be part of the content of a new route which simulates the NYCRR Water Level Route. I heard a PRR S1 6100 is also work in progress by another artist. 

It will be released as freeware and I don't know the 3D artist in person, but I think he or his team deserve some support and exposure! Coffee

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:15 AM

 2D, 3D Art and Animation for Classic Trains:

~ 18-car 20th Century Limited Speed Test ~ 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyEj4Imvm2A

 

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Posted by Jones1945 on Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:18 PM

BaltACD

President class engines were 4-6-2 Pacifics.  Engine 5304 was streamlined for a brief time in the 1938ish era for it's use on the Royal Blue between New York and Washington.  Then in 1947 engines 5301-5304 were streamlined for their use on The Cincinnatian, first between Mt. Royal Station in Baltimore and Cincinnati; then in 1950 account low patronage The Cincinnatian was changed to run between Detroit and Cincinnati.  The Cincinnatian engines retained their streamlining until they went to the scrappers in 1956 or 1957.  The B&O Museum the class original, Engine 5300, remains as a static display.

K&L Trainz has produced a video of the Cincinnatian's run between Mt. Royal and Cincinnati.  My only 'nit' to pick with it was they did not use B&O's legendary CPL signals in their rendering.  A second 'nit nit' was The Cincinnatian changed engines in Grafton and their rendering shows the original engine continuing through to Cincinnati

B&O P7 #5304 was the only P7 to be streamlined twice in its life, I think the design of Otto Kuhler was nice, and he said that Raymond Loewy's office asked him and B&O for permission to use the bullet nose design. The second streamlined shrouding of 5304 was designed by miss Olive Dennis.

K&L Trainz is a 3-man team so they have their limitation, but of course, there is still rooms for improvement! I wish they can make a route of America set in the 1940s so that I can drive my trains without squeeze down under the UK's overpass. Smile

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, February 9, 2019 7:45 AM

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BaltACD

Still find it amazing that the trains 'squeeze down' to fit through some of the overpasses.

Stories passed down from my Father and Grandfather about the B&O and PRR 'racing' from Washington Union Station for about 2 miles to a point just railroad East of the B&O's F Tower.  In the early 20's the PRR trains with K-4's would beat the B&O consistantly.  When the B&O obtained their P-7 President Class Pacifics in 1927 the tide went to the B&O trains with P-7 consistantly beating the K-4 led Pennsy train.  When the PRR electrified in the middle 30's with the GG-1's, the juice jacks were by far faster accelerating with the horsepower and low speed torque advantages of the electrics. 

 

Love your sharing, Balt! I will try to find a B&O 4-6-0 3D trains to render the race mentioned by your father and Grandfather! If there was a steam engine hauling considerable passenger load had an even better accelerating rate than the GG1, that would have been the real "Train of Tomorrow". :P 

Trainz - "Fight of the Century" 1939 (Part I)

 

President class engines were 4-6-2 Pacifics.  Engine 5304 was streamlined for a brief time in the 1938ish era for it's use on the Royal Blue between New York and Washington.  Then in 1947 engines 5301-5304 were streamlined for their use on The Cincinnatian, first between Mt. Royal Station in Baltimore and Cincinnati; then in 1950 account low patronage The Cincinnatian was changed to run between Detroit and Cincinnati.  The Cincinnatian engines retained their streamlining until they went to the scrappers in 1956 or 1957.  The B&O Museum the class original, Engine 5300, remains as a static display.

K&L Trainz has produced a video of the Cincinnatian's run between Mt. Royal and Cincinnati.  My only 'nit' to pick with it was they did not use B&O's legendary CPL signals in their rendering.  A second 'nit nit' was The Cincinnatian changed engines in Grafton and their rendering shows the original engine continuing through to Cincinnati

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Posted by Jones1945 on Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:14 AM

BaltACD

Still find it amazing that the trains 'squeeze down' to fit through some of the overpasses.

Stories passed down from my Father and Grandfather about the B&O and PRR 'racing' from Washington Union Station for about 2 miles to a point just railroad East of the B&O's F Tower.  In the early 20's the PRR trains with K-4's would beat the B&O consistantly.  When the B&O obtained their P-7 President Class Pacifics in 1927 the tide went to the B&O trains with P-7 consistantly beating the K-4 led Pennsy train.  When the PRR electrified in the middle 30's with the GG-1's, the juice jacks were by far faster accelerating with the horsepower and low speed torque advantages of the electrics.

Love your sharing, Balt! I will try to find a B&O 4-6-0 3D trains to render the race mentioned by your father and Grandfather! If there was a steam engine hauling considerable passenger load had an even better accelerating rate than the GG1, that would have been the real "Train of Tomorrow". :P 

Trainz - "Fight of the Century" 1939 (Part I)

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, February 8, 2019 8:24 PM

Jones1945
Can I call this 3D Art and Animation of Classic trains?

NYCentral Dreyfuss Hudson and the PT tender is done: 

Thank you for watching. 

Still find it amazing that the trains 'squeeze down' to fit through some of the overpasses.

Stories passed down from my Father and Grandfather about the B&O and PRR 'racing' from Washington Union Station for about 2 miles to a point just railroad East of the B&O's F Tower.  In the early 20's the PRR trains with K-4's would beat the B&O consistantly.  When the B&O obtained their P-7 President Class Pacifics in 1927 the tide went to the B&O trains with P-7 consistantly beating the K-4 led Pennsy train.  When the PRR electrified in the middle 30's with the GG-1's, the juice jacks were by far faster accelerating with the horsepower and low speed torque advantages of the electrics.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Friday, February 8, 2019 2:12 PM

Can I call this 3D Art and Animation of Classic trains?
NYCentral Dreyfuss Hudson and the PT tender is done: 

Thank you for watching. 

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Posted by Jones1945 on Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:43 AM

Working on it:

I am not going to re-skin the 20th Century Limited train set to 1940s scheme. Thank you K&L TrainZ for letting user reskin their 3D model! 

In case you feel extremely bored:

CoffeeSmile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by Jones1945 on Monday, January 21, 2019 5:11 AM

Flintlock76

Well. That Pennsy engineer must have been asleep at the switch to have let the Century get that far ahead of him!

No matter, he more than made up for it!

Of course, we have to remember that both NYC and PRR officials always insisted there was never  any race between the Century and the Broadway!  Whistling  Smile, Wink & Grin  Laugh 

Or maybe the S1 engineer was just messing around with the Century? Smile I know it was not a fair "race" since S1 was too powerful, but it is all for fun. I think a NYCentral J3a vs PRR K4s would be a nicer match. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, January 20, 2019 7:13 PM

Well. That Pennsy engineer must have been asleep at the switch to have let the Century get that far ahead of him!

No matter, he more than made up for it!

Of course, we have to remember that both NYC and PRR officials always insisted there was never  any race between the Century and the Broadway!  Whistling  Smile, Wink & Grin  Laugh

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, January 20, 2019 12:09 PM

5 PM departure of the 20th Century Limited (Unstreamlined J3a + PT tender): 




PRR S1 #6100 chasing NYC Dreyfuss Hudson at 100mph:

Thank you for watching. Drinks

 

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