PRR Fleet of Modernism (1938-1947) integrated discussion

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, February 19, 2021 8:31 PM

Fleet of Modernism in cars being pulled by the fleet of Anachronism in motive power.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, February 19, 2021 9:18 PM

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Fleet of Modernism in cars being pulled by the fleet of Anachronism in motive power.

Well, it's modern where the passengers see it getting on.  And fast "enough" to satisfy them to want to see it getting on again and again.  Who in Philadelphia cares if the non-paying public thinks it looks swoopy or not as it goes by them?  They've invested in 475 examples of road power obsolescent the year the last example was finished...

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Posted by Jones1945 on Friday, February 19, 2021 10:08 PM

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Fleet of Modernism in cars being pulled by the fleet of Anachronism in motive power.

That's why I envy people who love NYCRR, B&O, N&W, MILW, CB&Q, ATSF, and Union Pacific's streamliners; their favorite streamliners were carefully decorated and streamlined entirely, not only the passenger cars but also included the motive power. NYCRR's Mercury is a classic example of creating and marketing a streamliner successfully; the glorious history of the streamlined 20th Century Limited is overwhelming.

For the PRR streamliners, the trains were powered by the streamlined GG1 on the east end of the system only. On the west end of the system, even the Broadway Limited was mostly powered by good old non-streamlined K4s. Let alone most of the FOM trains, except Trail Blazer, Jeffersonian and South Wind, were never entirely streamlined. Crack trains like Congressional and Senator were not even included in the Fleet of Modernism project after the Unit Train project got canceled.

I still see the whole FOM thing was half-baked. 50% due to PRR's management philosophy, 50% due to WWII. Nevertheless, the design of the FOM livery is fabulous. 

 

 

  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:15 PM

Still, you've got to love the name...

"The Fleet of Modernism!"  

When I say those words out loud I attempt the stentorian tone of a 1930's radio announcer, nothing else seems appropriate!  

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, February 21, 2021 3:18 AM

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Still, you've got to love the name...

"The Fleet of Modernism!"  

When I say those words out loud I attempt the stentorian tone of a 1930's radio announcer, nothing else seems appropriate!  

 

Definitely. Besides the name of it, those pre-war Pullman-built streamlined sleepers still looked very modern even by today's standard. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, February 21, 2021 12:14 PM

Niagras regularly pulled the 20th Century, the Pacemaker, and the Empire State Express.  They were not streamlined, and the were not anachronistic.

And none of the Central's stramliners ever had streamlined power Harmon - GCT.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, February 21, 2021 8:31 PM

When Pennsy's T1s were allowed to go as far as Harrisburg, some PRR streamliners were pulled by streamlined powers on the entire route. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, February 22, 2021 10:26 AM

Also quite true when E7's and E8's replaced the T1's.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, February 22, 2021 11:35 AM

This leads me to wonder if there are proposed paint schemes for the prospective E6 order in the early '40s...

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, February 22, 2021 12:52 PM

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This leads me to wonder if there are proposed paint schemes for the prospective E6 order in the early '40s...

 

Streamlined Atlantics?  Oh, you must mean EP20s.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, February 22, 2021 1:05 PM

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This leads me to wonder if there are proposed paint schemes for the prospective E6 order in the early '40s...

Streamlined Atlantics?

That would have been E8s.

Oh, you must mean EP20s.

They never got them, so they stayed E6s.  In any case, in 1942 they'd have been EP1 and anything else pushed up in the series accordingly before revised.

Interesting to consider what the E7s would be if the slantnose EMDs had taken EP20 'first'.  

 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, February 22, 2021 1:06 PM

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This leads me to wonder if there are proposed paint schemes for the prospective E6 order in the early '40s...

Streamlined Atlantics?

That would have been E8s.

Oh, you must mean EP20s.

They never got them, so they stayed E6s.  In any case, in 1942 they'd have been EP1 and anything else pushed up in the series accordingly before revised.

Interesting to consider what the E7s would be if the slantnose EMDs had taken EP20 'first'.   Subletters, probably...

 

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, February 22, 2021 8:06 PM

Art Deco and the railroads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW9g44fvjrM

 

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Posted by Jones1945 on Monday, February 22, 2021 8:15 PM

Overmod

This leads me to wonder if there are proposed paint schemes for the prospective E6 order in the early '40s... 

I bet Loewy and EMD both had some interesting ideas, too bad the order was canceled after War Production Board failed to approve. A paint scheme that matches the FOM livery would have been awesome.

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