NYC CASO and wartime

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:27 PM

Thanks Wanswheel!  You know, looking at the "America's Railroads"  exhibit I can't help but wonder if there's a young Dave Klepper running loose there with his frantic parents trying to catch him!

Thank God for color movie film!  Isn't it wonderful?  Those images look like they could have been shot yesterday!

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Posted by Miningman on Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:55 PM

Give yourself a break from the world and read that PDF file from the New York Central Brochure on their Ottawa Line. The prose is terrific. The New York Central really knew how to run their passenger service and run it well. 

I love the section where they state how little known the areas where and that it was a true underused treasure. It pretty much stayed that way, although the Thousand Island area is well known. Extremely interesting border running through the Thousand Islands. Amazing stuff.

As for the Train Fair video....how on Gods green earth did we scrap everything we see...a pinnacle of human achievement...it is tragic, plain stupid, heartless, wasteful, short sighted and most of all shameful. 

Rationalize and justify all you want....baloney pure and simple. Stinky rotten infested baloney at that. 

 

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Posted by M636C on Friday, January 12, 2018 12:14 AM

quote user="Miningman"]

Give yourself a break from the world and read that PDF file from the New York Central Brochure on their Ottawa Line. The prose is terrific. The New York Central really knew how to run their passenger service and run it well. 

I love the section where they state how little known the areas where and that it was a true underused treasure. It pretty much stayed that way, although the Thousand Island area is well known. Extremely interesting border running through the Thousand Islands. Amazing stuff.

As for the Train Fair video....how on Gods green earth did we scrap everything we see...a pinnacle of human achievement...it is tragic, plain stupid, heartless, wasteful, short sighted and most of all shameful. 

Rationalize and justify all you want....baloney pure and simple. Stinky rotten infested baloney at that.  

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The World's Fair was seventy nine years ago....

And not quite everything has gone:

The exhibits from the B&O Museum, including the "Atlantic" and the replica "Tom Thumb" are still there. The "Duchess of Hamilton" has been restored to its 1939 appearance and is capable of being restored to operation.

I'm pretty sure the Italian streamlined electric set has been preserved, although the Italian diesel car has gone.

That doesn't mean I'm not sorry that the S-1 has gone nor all the NYC Hudsons. There is a PRR K-4 but not quite like 3768.

There was a CPR Royal Hudson and a CNR U-4 there both of which have representatives retained.

There is an EMD E-6 much like the E-4 displayed in 1940.

If someone wanted an 80th anniversary rail exhibition to recreate the rail display at the World's Fair, quite a lot could be provided, although it would cost a lot to bring the international items...

Not everything can be kept

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, January 12, 2018 7:51 AM

M636C-- Fair dinkum mate. When I see that S1, the streamlined Hudson and PRR 3768, actually virtually everything from the East, especially giants NYC and PRR I simply do not understand. Been a harsh long cold snow packed exhausting  winter...perhaps cabin fever setting in but I can see little justification and reasoning for eating your own. Heard the rationale and assorted nonsense too many times, just waive it off. We know about these things but will be the last bunch to understand or care. Lost the Budd company too!, incredible really. Thankfully we have a Royal Hudson and a CNR 6400 series still. 

Lost a lot lately personally ...gettin' to me. 

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Posted by wanswheel on Friday, January 12, 2018 12:50 PM

Miningman

Give yourself a break from the world and read that PDF file from the New York Central Brochure on their Ottawa Line. The prose is terrific.

It's definitely prosy enough to sample it some!

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:01 AM

M636C
There is an EMD E-6 much like the E-4 displayed in 1940.

If I remember correctly, and somewhat heartbreakingly, GM kept the originals long enough to display at the '64='65 followup Fair after they took them in trade ... then scrapped them afterward.

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, January 13, 2018 7:04 AM

Miningman

M636C-- Fair dinkum mate. When I see that S1, the streamlined Hudson and PRR 3768, actually virtually everything from the East, especially giants NYC and PRR I simply do not understand. Been a harsh long cold snow packed exhausting  winter...perhaps cabin fever setting in but I can see little justification and reasoning for eating your own. Heard the rationale and assorted nonsense too many times, just waive it off. We know about these things but will be the last bunch to understand or care. Lost the Budd company too!, incredible really. Thankfully we have a Royal Hudson and a CNR 6400 series still. 

Lost a lot lately personally ...gettin' to me. 

 
What can I say...
Very disappointing, Eh?
 
Of course I'm in the middle of a very hot summer and it is fairly easy to look on the positive side. I was out photographing trains in bright sunshine today.
 
Australia has lost many of its capabilities in the pursuit of economic rationalism, much as Canada has. Sadly, in the interests of staying in power, our recent governments haven't acheived a a surplus budget since they are too busy trying to buy votes from  all sectors of the community.
 
But along with the almost complete loss of manufacturing industry, there has been a loss of technical knowledge generally, such that people don't understand how things work.
 
My next door neighbours have a Honda Civic sedan. The front bumper moulding had sprung away from the body after a slight bump. This was on the side that faced my home and it annoyed me. So this afternoon I adjusted the postion of a couple of the adjacent mouldings, gave it a solid thump and it was back in place.
 
But not even young people going into mechanical trades work on their own cars anymore because there is less need to and far fewer items are manually adjustable.
 
If the engineer of the MMA oil train at Lac Megantic had had a good understanding of the problems of the lead C30-7, he could have shut it down and left one of the other units running to maintain the air. Had he looked at the prime mover, the polyurethane filling the spaces left by broken steel castings  should have suggested that all wasn't well, let alone the person that put the polyurethane in place thinking that was a repair. As with all such incidents, a correct call at any number of stages would have averted the disaster.
 
But to return to 1939. While the S-1 was amazing, a locomotive the same size as the "Big Boy" with half the number of coupled axles and the longest rigid frame ever cast was not even practical by the standards of the time. Keeping a T-1 would have at least provided a locomotive that could run on many PRR main lines...
 
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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, January 15, 2018 9:10 PM

The S-1, for all its magnificence, reminds me of the old joke about a guy who builds a boat in his backyard, and then can't get it out past the house!

The S-1 was a great runner, and got the PRR to seriously think about persuing the duplex concept, it was just too darn big to be practical.

Still, they should have sent it to the Northumberland collection instead of scrapping it.  What a shame!

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, January 15, 2018 10:08 PM

Yes, Overmod alluded to correspondence within the PRR as to it's fate and there was some gnashing of teeth over its disposition. In the end however some bigshot overrules and it succumbed to the bean counters. So much for company pride and history, let alone science and achievement. 

After that the floodgates opened and PRR and NYC, many others, did an outstanding job of destroying themselves...workers must have been terrified. Pockets were greased, certain bank accounts swelled and we were sold a bill of goods. Some crooks were caught, Sauders legacy is that of a 'Vandal'. 

What of all those monstrous war time profits and cost savings everywhere? PRR declared a loss in 1947...like whaaat?

Not one Hudson, not one Niagara. Pennsylvania Station. 

We didn't need the Nazis to bomb the Crestline Roundhouse, ...did it for them. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:11 AM

A roundhouse that is no longer needed eats money (property taxes and maintenance) that could be put to better use elsewhere.  Misplaced company pride put red ink on the Centennial annual report.

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