Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:04 PM

I have my fingers crossed that this is not another instantiation of the perennial Waycross question that has come up several times in different forms in these quizzes...

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:32 PM

Overmod

I have my fingers crossed that this is not another instantiation of the perennial Waycross question that has come up several times in different forms in these quizzes...

 

You are right; there was absolutely no connection with Waycross when the nine mile line was constructed; indeed, I do not think there was any railroad near what is now Waycross at the time of the construction.

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, December 05, 2018 10:10 AM

The railroads were in Virginia.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, December 06, 2018 7:26 AM

Sounds like the Virginia Central and the Orange and Alexandria - C&O and Southern in the classic era.  The O&A got trackage rights on the Virginia Central between Gordonsville and Charlottesville to connect to its own line to Lynchburg, later bought the segment and granted Virginia Central successor C&O access to Alexandria VA/Washington DC.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, December 06, 2018 7:58 AM

Yes. Apparently, this is a truly obscure bit of railroad history. Do you know any other instance in which a railroad built track to gain entrance via trackage rights to a city--and then built its own track to that city and sold its connecting track to the other road?

I do not know if the Buckingham Branch uses that track; could it be that the Cardinal is the only traffic on it? Way back when, the C&O not only had three passenger trains, but also three freights that used it to gain access to the Washington area.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, December 06, 2018 10:27 AM

Buckingham Branch shows Orange (actual connecting spot - Gordonsville is a short distance away) as a "Station" and not an "Interchange", so...  I guess it depends on whether there are any customers between Gordonsville and Orange (Google Maps shows pulpwood racks and grain hoppers on the BB at or near  Orange).  I rode the Crescent through there last Friday but it was already dark, so I didn't really see anything at Gordonsville.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, December 06, 2018 11:13 AM

You rode the Crescent through Gordonsville?  It was detoured through there?

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, December 09, 2018 12:28 PM

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You rode the Crescent through Gordonsville?  It was detoured through there?

 

No, we took the ex-SR line between Orange and Charlottesville. All in the dark, so I missed the junction at Orange.

Finally back in after three days of the web site not recognising me.

In the classic era there were two Chicago-Hot Springs Ark.  Pullman lines which each took 16-17 hours with one railroad change.  Give both routes and the railroads involved.

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, December 09, 2018 12:56 PM

Glad you're back... perhaps others can post again as the Forums were at a crawl. 

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, December 09, 2018 1:06 PM

Received this from Jones.. not sure how he knows this or if it's just speculation .

It "seems" that the forum is undergoing a major update, 
including a new layout, new scheme, functional tags system and 
some interesting features which would encourage people to post. 
 

We will see...  

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, December 10, 2018 3:29 PM

rcdrye

 

 
Deggesty

You rode the Crescent through Gordonsville?  It was detoured through there?

 

 

 

No, we took the ex-SR line between Orange and Charlottesville. All in the dark, so I missed the junction at Orange.

 

Finally back in after three days of the web site not recognising me.

In the classic era there were two Chicago-Hot Springs Ark.  Pullman lines which each took 16-17 hours with one railroad change.  Give both routes and the railroads involved.

 

The two routes were quite different--one went through Missoouri into Arkansas, and the other went south through Kentucky into Tennessee and then west.

In 1943. the Alton took a 10-1-2 down to St. Louis on the Abrahma Lincoln, and the MP carried the car on the Southerner to Little Rock and then on a local to Hot Springs. Returning, the local took the car to Little Rock and delivered it to the Southerner, which took it to St. Louis, and the Alton carried it overnight to Chicago on the Midnight Special

In the same year, the IC's Louisiane carried a 10 section 2 compartment car to Memphis, and and the Rock Island carried it to Hot Springs on #45. Returning, it traveled on #50 to Memphis, and the Louisiane took it on to Chicago.

The IC-RI service did not exist in 1953; the RI then had only freight service into Hot Springs. The GM&O/MP service did still exist in 1953, with a 10-6 car.

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, December 10, 2018 6:59 PM

I thought about adding this clue: the state wherein the construction took place was the birth state of more presidents than any other state was, even stating that two presidents were born in the same county.

This may be a bit easier than the last one I propounded.

The New Haven, for many years, operated an all first class train over night between Boston and New York City. Except for a few months, it was possible to board, undress, and sleep in a berth. However, during those few months passengers slept in seats in parlor cars. Why?

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 7:02 AM

I'm not sure of the exact period, but there was a time when Pullmans were banned from runs of less than 250 miles during WW II.  At 229.1 miles, the Owl didn't make the cut.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:08 AM

rcdrye

I'm not sure of the exact period, but there was a time when Pullmans were banned from runs of less than 250 miles during WW II.  At 229.1 miles, the Owl didn't make the cut.

 

You have the right idea. In 1945, when troops were being brought home, Pullman needed many more cars to transport them than were needed during the fighting, so the ODT issued an order forbidding overnight runs of less than 400 or 450 miles (I do not remember just which; my copy of the Guide which listed the order is buried and it takes too much effort for me to dig it out). The New Haven had enough parlor cars so it was able to provide their comfort in the place of real sleeping comfort. Other roads' overnight comfort simply was not available. The Alton even discontinued the Midnight Special until in November, at which time it was restored with coaches only. The Chicago-Hot Springs car still ran (on another train).

Going back to presidents, George Washington and James Monroe wer both born in Westmoreland County, which is on the Potomac (which is about seven miles wide there). However, the Father of our Country did not grow up on the Potomac; when he was quite young, the family moved to the other side of the Northern Neck,  and he grew up on the Rappahannock.

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