Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, November 13, 2017 11:18 AM

Bingo!

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, November 13, 2017 12:53 PM

If you have a photo, please post it!

Staying with New York Transit:  Please give the historical and recent history of the Franklin Avnue Shuttle, "S" Prospeci Park - Franklin Avenue and Fulton Street.  What was the original service, what was the original electric service, what changes were made and what unfortunate event occured.  What was/were the service/services during the classic BMT period, 1922 - Unification-1940.  Any changes then?  What about patronage after Unifiation?  and everything up to date.

Optional extra:   special or orphan equipmen that had a home there.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 5:39 AM

I have better than a photo, I have a video link showing the operation.  But that will have to wait until I get to a computer.

I’ll leave a full answer to your question to someone with more specific knowledge.  But that service started with steam traction in 1878; here is some detail

http://forgotten-ny.com/1998/10/franklin-avenue-shuttle-the-city-has-closed-this-line-for-reconstruction-but-while-it-was-open-it-was-probably-the-most-decrepit-route-in-the-city-here-are-some-pictures-from-just-before-the-renov/

Unless I am mistaken your ‘unfortunate event’ is a tremendous understatement: is it not the Malbone St. disaster, the thing that ultimately (and, I think justly) bankrupted the BMT? If I had my ‘druthers I would never have designed the tunnel that way, let alone put a scab in charge of running loaded trains through there...

Perhaps interestingly, the way I remember the story was not with a dispatcher running the train, but an 18-year-old apparently hired because he had a pulse and showed up.  What were the stories about this at the time?

I thought when I first read about this that it was a pity not to retain the original overhead wire as many fewer people would likely have been electrocuted as the third rail energization was repeatly cycled to clear the ‘fault’...

It was amazing how decrepit this line got before rebuilding in the 1990s.  I do think it was a shame to lose that piece of the old El, though.

At least one fun thing that ran here was the ‘million dollar train’ R11s, with Otto Kuhler design and Precipitron ‘imitation’ of air conditioning.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:55 AM

You can still enjoy a piece of old elevated structure from about the same time on the "J" east of Broadway Junction - East New York - Eastern Parkway.

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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, November 18, 2017 12:44 PM

If the complete answer to the Franklin Avenue Shuttle line is too difficult, I'll accept a worthwhile partical answer.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:27 AM

Is a replacemen question needed?

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:24 PM

Again, let me know if a replacement question is needed.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:48 AM

I am going to simplify the Franklin Avenue Shuttle question to try to obtain an answer:

What was the original route ot passenger service on the Shuttle line, and what purchase of what railroad by another railroad ended this service and forced the owners of route used by the shuttle to find another route involveing a short extension of the shuttle rout that still exists.

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