Classic Railroad Quiz (at least 50 years old).

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 18, 2020 11:56 AM

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I'm going to guess at B&O's "Cincinnatian", which started as a Washington-Cincinnati run to compete with the "Chessie" and was changed over to Cincinnati-Detroit after the "Chessie" never went into service.

But what got lengthened on the Detroit end?  Remember that one end got shorter but the other end was enlarged...

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, May 18, 2020 2:04 PM

Overmod

 

 
CSSHEGEWISCH
I'm going to guess at B&O's "Cincinnatian", which started as a Washington-Cincinnati run to compete with the "Chessie" and was changed over to Cincinnati-Detroit after the "Chessie" never went into service.

 

But what got lengthened on the Detroit end?  Remember that one end got shorter but the other end was enlarged...

 

Was it originally planned to run between Toledo and Cincinnati?

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Monday, May 18, 2020 4:10 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

I'm going to guess at B&O's "Cincinnatian", which started as a Washington-Cincinnati run to compete with the "Chessie" and was changed over to Cincinnati-Detroit after the "Chessie" never went into service.

 

The Cincinnatian is not it.

In going over the facts of my question, I just realized that my original question needs to be modified. See my original entry for the revised question.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Monday, May 18, 2020 4:20 PM

Here is the revised question:

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Once upon a time there was a fancy train....

On TWO SEPARATE DATES SEVERAL YEARS APART, this train went through a couple of major changes:

On one end, its endpoint was cut back. 

On the other end, its endpoint was extended.

Shed no tears for the trains route truncation - for it still served its old endpoint, albeit with connecting service but on a schedule that ultimately was hours faster compared to when it was running through to the previous endpoint.

 

The train, the dates, and the changes it went through, please.

  

Another clue: The connecting service that replaced one of the original endpoints and the extention on the other end both occurred on other railroads, not on the main sponsoring railroad. 

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:30 AM

ANOTHER CLUE:

Three years separated the truncation and extention of this long-distance train.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:31 AM

ANOTHER CLUE:

The truncation and extention of the trains route both occurred before WW1.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:41 AM

LAST CLUE:

This was a western transcontinental train.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:36 PM

Let's try the Soo-Dominion.  Endpoint moved from Portland Oregon to Vancouver BC on the west.  Truncated on the east from an all Soo Line (well, WC) routing Chicago, made up for by using the C&NW's much faster Viking for a Chicago connection.  Since the reroute got the train off Crow's Nest Pass and the Spokane International onto the CPR main line, even the connection to Portland (GN) was probably as fast as or faster than the Soo-Spokane line.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Thursday, May 28, 2020 4:15 PM

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Let's try the Soo-Dominion.  Endpoint moved from Portland Oregon to Vancouver BC on the west.  Truncated on the east from an all Soo Line (well, WC) routing Chicago, made up for by using the C&NW's much faster Viking for a Chicago connection.  Since the reroute got the train off Crow's Nest Pass and the Spokane International onto the CPR main line, even the connection to Portland (GN) was probably as fast as or faster than the Soo-Spokane line.

 

Nice try, but Soo-Dominion is not it. When the western endpoint was changed from Portland to Vancouver, I could be wrong but I believe there were no through cars to Portland maintained. Also on the eastern end, the connecting line handling the train was simply changed from Soo to CNW - it was not extended.

I need to say, though, your answer contains one of the cities that is part of the answer I'm looking for.....

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:27 PM

GN's Oriental Limited, begun 1905 as a St. Paul-Seattle train with through cars to Portland via Seattle.  Truncated to Seattle only, with cars handled via the SP&S to Portland around 1907, extended to Chicago via CB&Q in 1909.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Thursday, May 28, 2020 7:55 PM

rcdrye

GN's Oriental Limited, begun 1905 as a St. Paul-Seattle train with through cars to Portland via Seattle.  Truncated to Seattle only, with cars handled via the SP&S to Portland around 1907, extended to Chicago via CB&Q in 1909.

 

Not the train I was looking for, but you are getting very close....

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, May 29, 2020 6:02 AM

OK then.. The NP's North Coast Limited - also originally from St. Paul to Portland via Seattle.  Portland cars rerouted via SP&S from Pasco to Portland in 1909.  Extension east to Chicago via C&NW in 1911, moved to CB&Q in 1918.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Friday, May 29, 2020 8:47 AM

rcdrye

OK then.. The NP's North Coast Limited - also originally from St. Paul to Portland via Seattle.  Portland cars rerouted via SP&S from Pasco to Portland in 1909.  Extension east to Chicago via C&NW in 1911, moved to CB&Q in 1918.

 

Bingo! The North Coast Limited was the train I was looking for.

From its inauguration in 1900, the NCL operated as a St. Paul-Portland train via Seattle (Unlike GN's Oriental Limited, running to Seattle only with through Portland cars.) The SP&S line from Spokane to Portland was open for passenger service in November 1908, but another pair of NP transcontinentals (Northern Pacific Express/Atlantic Express) was the main recepient of this change, getting through Portland cars in its consist as well as being extended to/from Chicago via CB&Q in May 1909. NCL was cut back to Seattle, with no through cars to Portland via SP&S (at least until late 1910).

It wasn't until December 1911 that NCL was extended to Chicago via C&NW.

Rcdrye, you get the next question.

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:34 PM

This railroad bought diesels from Alco and EMD for operation only in two states, and had freight cars lettered for one of the states.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:51 AM

Bangor and Aroostick operated in both Maine and Vermont and had insulated box cars lettered "State of Maine Potatoes."

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Posted by Miningman on Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:02 PM

I immediately thought Bangor and Aroostook but every account Ive read says it operated entirely within Maine and it had no Alcos on the roster. 

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, May 31, 2020 12:30 PM

While Bangor & Aroostook's "State of Maine Products" cars were well known, it's not the railroad I'm looking for.  BAR only operated in Maine.  Right time zone, though.

The Alco and EMD units did operate in two other states in pool service with another railroad.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:48 PM

OK, Central of Georgia, operated in Georgia and South Carolinaz

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, May 31, 2020 3:21 PM

Bit further north.  The names of the states are not in the corporate name of the railroad.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:38 PM

Monon - Hoosier

oops,  wrong time zone

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:00 AM

The railroad was part of a much larger railroad, and indeed transportation, system.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:32 AM

The Maine Central operated in Maine and New Hampshire and had run-throughs with the Boston and Maine to both Massachusetts and New York states.

Only Maine was shown on equipment.

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 12:21 PM

But Maine Central bought all of its engines from US builders, and didn't have anything labelled for Vermont.  There was a reason this railroad bought US built engines for these two states.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 1:38 PM

I'd have said Central Vermont much earlier except you said the state wasn't in the... oh, wait.

Does the railroad have to be CN, buying power to be used Stateside domestically?

Pity it couldn't be Central New England.  Why did that damn boat have to sink?

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, June 2, 2020 2:28 PM

Ok, so it is the Grand Trunk Western, tghat operated in Illinois and Michigan, run-though power over the CN to the CV in Vermont and the Grand Trunk in Maine. so

Possibly some box cars aftertized a Michigan service or customer.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, June 3, 2020 10:21 AM

GTW also operated in Indiana.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, June 3, 2020 10:32 AM

You're getting really close.  Unlike the CV/GT/GTW, this railroad did not have a separate U.S. corporate entity (though it does now...)

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, June 3, 2020 8:05 PM

The Canadian Pacific     Vermont  and  Msine

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, June 3, 2020 9:36 PM

Both of them full Class 1s set up for ICC reasons.

Isn' it interesting that TODAY it was reported that CP has completed purchase of the Central Maine & Quebec in the United States.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, June 4, 2020 6:49 AM

CP operations in Vermont were part of the parent company, but Alco-built FA-1 and RS2/3s (and 3 E8s) were assigned there for customs reasons.  The International of Maine division was accounted for separately for tax purposes, and had some equipment so lettered (boxcars and cabooses).  CP's Alcos operated in pool service over the B&M to points in New Hampshire and Massachusetts, just as CPR steam power had done.  The I of M cars were often assigned to newsprint service, where their nominal US ownership made it easier to service printing plants in major US cities.International of Maine boxcar

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