Classic Railroad Quiz (at least 50 years old).

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:16 AM

The ever-popular, often penurious CHICAGO GREAT WESTERN.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, April 03, 2019 2:28 PM

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The ever-popular, often penurious CHICAGO GREAT WESTERN.

 

The lack of nose MU resulted in six unit A-B-B-B-B-A lashups becoming the normal road power, at least in Illinois.  CGW bought modern power to replace them, GP30s (eight, used in fours) and SD40s (nine, used in threes) but not enough to displace the Fs before the C&NW takeover in 1967.  After the takeover, the GPs and SDs went right over to the parent, and six unit Fs lasted almost as long as the CGW main remained a through route.

For some reason CGW only bought a couple of GP7s, delivered right after the last F7Bs, but with lower EMD order numbers.

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, April 08, 2019 6:32 AM

To you, Overmod...

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, April 08, 2019 9:17 AM

I am tempted to pose this while I'm thinking of a better question:

In the timeframe of a recent question, a railroad featuring prominently in a recent question tested the same number and general type of locomotive in a recent question on an infamous line mentioned in several recent questions.  

As far as I've seen, only one fairly obscure reference mentions this test as having been conducted.  You'll get credit for the railroad and the line, but you'd likely need to find particulars of the two locomotives to do it...

Guessing does NOT count.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 11, 2019 7:21 PM

.  No double posting.

I am beginning to tire of tech inadequacy.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 11, 2019 7:21 PM

And if you don't like that one:

A railroad famously figuring in many posts here bought used locomotives that had to be modified to run on their system.  They had the work done by a company that used parts from other locomotives from the original owner that were removed to make the 'other locomotives', which had been originally essentially suitable (with only minor modifications) to be run on the famous railroad, suitable for the original service from which the used locomotives were taken.

What are the famous and original railroads, all the locomotive classes in question, and the reasons for the modifications? Extra credit -- but not much, considering -- for the name of the people that did the work.

Erik in particular should get this without particular delay.

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Posted by ZephyrOverland on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 12:40 PM

Bumping this up since there has been nothing posted here in over 25 days. Could we get a clue or two or even a new question?

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 3:00 PM

Hint to the first question: electric locomotives.  The system involved was a pioneer in more than one type of power, and the tested locomotives continued that 'innovation'.  In the years leading up to our entry into a major conflict.

Hint to the second question: it involved locomotives discussed in a fairly major thread a couple of weeks ago.

New question pending if no one shows an interest in either of these two.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 11:13 PM

I am interested in both question from Overmod but I have no clue to the answer. I wish Overmod would reveal the answer of them when posting the new question so that reader and I can learn something from it, but it is up to you. Cheers! Coffee

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Posted by narig01 on Thursday, May 09, 2019 1:54 PM

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And if you don't like that one:

A railroad famously figuring in many posts here bought used locomotives that had to be modified to run on their system.  They had the work done by a company that used parts from other locomotives from the original owner that were removed to make the 'other locomotives', which had been originally essentially suitable (with only minor modifications) to be run on the famous railroad, suitable for the original service from which the used locomotives were taken.

What are the famous and original railroads, all the locomotive classes in question, and the reasons for the modifications? Extra credit -- but not much, considering -- for the name of the people that did the work.

Erik in particular should get this without particular delay.

 

The New York Central R Class Motors and the ones sold to the South Shore?    Was just reading the Wikipedia entry. I'll get some other books out later. All I could think of.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, May 10, 2019 12:04 PM

narig01: you are on the right track but need more detail.  Where did the parts come from?

 

Hint for the other question: New Canaan.

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 12:41 PM

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And if you don't like that one:

A railroad famously figuring in many posts here bought used locomotives that had to be modified to run on their system.  They had the work done by a company that used parts from other locomotives from the original owner that were removed to make the 'other locomotives', which had been originally essentially suitable (with only minor modifications) to be run on the famous railroad, suitable for the original service from which the used locomotives were taken.

What are the famous and original railroads, all the locomotive classes in question, and the reasons for the modifications? Extra credit -- but not much, considering -- for the name of the people that did the work.

Erik in particular should get this without particular delay.

Are you referring to the New Haven railroad EF-4s, formerly Virginian class EL-C electrics that we’re sold to the. New Haven in 1963 after Norfolk and Western, who bought the Virginian in 1959 and discontinued electric operations in 1962.

I’d assume the locomotives had to been modified to run on the New Haven’s electric system, as I expect it would have been different from the Virginian system.

Worth note is the fact that these locos where re-classes E33 following the PRR classification system after the New Haven/Penn Central merger and continued use though Conrail into the 1980s.

Hope I got it right!

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 4:13 PM

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Are you referring to the New Haven railroad EF-4s, formerly Virginian class EL-C electrics, that were sold to the New Haven in 1963 after Norfolk and Western, who bought the Virginian in 1959, discontinued electric operations in 1962?

No.  To my knowledge the EF-4s were built to run on 11kV AC and required little, if any modification to be able to run on the New Haven and the voltage-uprated PRR.  As E33s they certainly had a long and effective service life, even if only the moral 3/4 equivalent of PRR's 'native' E44s.

What I'm thinking of is much more dramatic.  A class of locomotives was extensively rebuilt in the Fifties, leaving a bunch of parts left over from the conversion.  These were used to alter a group of locomotives built for the electrification to which the class of converted locomotives went so they could be used in a service for which, likely, the original locomotives could have served.

It isn't a hard question, and we had quite a thread on the first converted locomotives not long ago.  The key is in finding out what was done with those parts...

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:10 AM

I'm going to guess that the power in question is the P motors built for Cleveland Union Terminal (overhead wire) rebuilt for service on NYC suburban third-rail operation out of GCT.  The extra parts were used in the rebuilding of the R-2's sold to South Shore.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 1:47 PM

That's them!

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:11 PM

Looks like the deal with the South Shore worked out the way it did because the P-Motors already had boilers and tanks and the R-Motors didn't, plus the P-Motors had better ride characteristics and probably top speed.  I can't find what the South Shore paid, but I'm betting they got the R-Motors at a fire sale price, along with the CUT pans. NYC's Q- and R- Motors lived a pretty sheltered life, mostly operating on the West Side Freight line and up to Harmon, though occasionally straying elsewhere.

CUT's overhead was notable for incorporating chain in some pull-offs. 

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:47 PM

I will see if I can open and access the Complete Collection later tonight and read the mid-Sixties story in Trains about the R2s' "second career" on the South Shore.  One of them was the 'cover girl' for that particular issue.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, May 16, 2019 10:13 AM

South Shore bought a total of ten R2's from NYC.  Six of them were rebuilt to CSS 701-706 in 1955-1958 and one more was rebuilt into CSS 707 in 1968.  The three remaining hulks sat at Michigan City for quite a few years in their NYC paint and numbers.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul

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