Classic Railroad Quiz (at least 50 years old).

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, September 28, 2017 6:12 AM

Colorado Midland.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, September 28, 2017 6:39 AM

The Colorado Midland did not provide passenger service to Denver and was not in existance during the time frame where you refered to official guides or when I regularly rode the Joint Line.   This railroad did provide passenger service to both Denver and Colorado Springs and interchanged freight with the D&RGW at both locations during the times we are both referring to.   I meant Ghost in the sense of unseen presence as far as revenue passengers between the two points rather than being out of existance.

Also, certain long-distance round-trip tickets, inlcuding multi-railroad tickets, were honored without extra charge on Joint-Line D&RGW trains between Denver and Colorado Springs, providing in some cases a free side-trip.  This railroad's round-trip tickets were so honored,  but not round-trip, one direction only.  A courtesy extended by the D&RGW to this railroad's long-distance passengers.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:11 AM

The Rock Island served both Denver and Colorado Springs with its Rocky Mountain Rocket, splitting the train at Limon, and using UP track to reach Denver. I did not know of moving RI cars directly between Denver and Colorado Springs.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:29 AM

Johnny, you have the main part of the answer, and the reason for moving the cars should be obvious.

Also, remember that a good portion of the Rocky Mountain Rocket's patronage in season was with tour groups.  Please continue.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:14 PM

Are you looking for connections to and from the 'Golden State route' joint RI-SP line?

This split at Limon involved using that interesting 'B-unit-with-a-cab' that would be visually integrated in the larger train's consist, right?

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, September 28, 2017 3:59 PM

Not that complicated, only the one RI train involved.   Most passenger railroads did the same sort of thing on occasion, but were able to use only their own trains.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 01, 2017 2:37 AM

As noted, the Rocky Mountain Rocket served both Colorado Springs and Denver.  Tour groups would go to one, use buses to tour Colorado, and return from the other.  This presented a continual problem for the Rock, with a surplus of passenger equipment in one and a dearth in the other.  The D&RGW helped solve this dilemna.

This railroad had an ambitious plan to modernize lightweight pre-WWII coaches still in service.  One prototype cars was so modernized, the car repainted, and numbered 1000.  But it was the only car so treated, the program did not proceed despite the favorable review of the modernized car.  But some of the fleet continued into Amtrak service and still run on tourist and museum lines.

Which railroad and add any other information you have.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 01, 2017 2:51 AM

Correction, the Philly WWI double-enders, both on the PTC and Red Arrow (PSTC) were called "Hog Island" cars.  Possibly better called medium-weight, rather than light-weight, all probably two-man originally, but converted to one-man.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 01, 2017 2:53 AM

And over's comment on the split at Limon and the EMD half-an-E-unit power is as a B-unit is correct.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 01, 2017 5:10 AM

And here is a 1948 photo of a Third Avenue straigih-side convertable (851-1050 were curved-dside) at St. Ann's Avenue and Boston Road and 169th Street, The Bronx.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 01, 2017 2:23 PM

Repeating the question:

This railroad had an ambitious plan to modernize lightweight pre-WWII coaches still in service.  One prototype cars was so modernized, the car repainted, and numbered 1000.  But it was the only car so treated, the program did not proceed despite the favorable review of the modernized car.  But some of the fleet continued into Amtrak service and still run on tourist and museum lines.

 

Which railroad and add any other information you have.

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:01 AM

New Haven rebuilt car 1000 in 1959 from one of the prewar "American Flyer" coaches with 78 seats.  The original car was built by Pullman-Standard at the former Osgood-Bradley plant in Worcester Mass in 1938 (I lost my note on the original number).  Although the car was well received it came out just about the time the NH's finances collapsed.  Unique paint scheme with red lower panel and remainder in black with white lettering including stacked NH in center of car. Renumbered 2696 by Penn Central, it may have operated in Amtrak service under lease. With other prewar Pullman-Bradley and Pullman-Standard cars (all built in Worcester, P-S assumed complete ownership in 1938) it probably ended its life under lease to MBTA in Boston commuter service.

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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, October 07, 2017 7:11 PM

Correct.   Next question?

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, October 09, 2017 4:37 PM

This Chicago-area line re-engined its Baldwin VO-1000s with engines it already owned, made available when other units were re-engined.  Name the railroad and the "other" engines.

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Monday, October 09, 2017 8:14 PM

rcdrye

This Chicago-area line re-engined its Baldwin VO-1000s with engines it already owned, made available when other units were re-engined.  Name the railroad and the "other" engines.

Elgin, Joliet and Eastern repowered theirs with different Baldwin engines, exchanging VO's for 606SC's.  The "new" prime movers came from some of EJ&E's DT-6-6-2000 centre-cab transfer units, which had in turn been rebuilt with EMD 567's. 

Many of the involved locomotives remained in service until the mid-1970s, but none survive today.

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:50 PM

Exactly.  Five of EJ&E's DT-6-6-2000s were repowered with pairs of 12-567s, giving enough 606SCs to do all 10 of the VO's.  The other DT-6-6-2000s were re-engined with Baldwin 606A engines, which fit in the original hood.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:13 AM

After checking the EJ&E website, it shows that fourteen centercabs were re-powered with 567's and renumbered in the 900 series and nine got 606A engines and were renumbered in the 700 series.

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:30 PM

A class of A1A-A1A diesels were built exclusively for one railroad, which used them in both freight and passenger service, notably on one of its smaller subsiduaries.  Name the locomotive type and the line they hauled passenger trains on.

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Tuesday, October 17, 2017 7:06 PM

5 days sure goes by quickly, time for a bump and a hint I guess.  The locomotive manufacturer was not EMD.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:37 AM

An Alco Road-Switcher, identical to its RS-2 or RS-3, except for A1A trucks instead of B, probably for CN.

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Posted by Trinity River Bottoms Boomer on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 5:32 AM

My guess: The New Haven Alco DL109.  They moved people by day and freight by night.  Regarding the line, my brain is rusty, though I'll still take a crack at it: The line to Maybrook via the Poughkeepsie bridge.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 6:44 AM

I'm going to go for CN's MLW RSC13.  I can't place the small subsidiary, unless they served onthe former QRL&P line.

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:26 AM

Getting closer, but the manufacturer was not Alco/MLW either.

New Haven did have by far the largest fleet of DL-109's, and did use them extensively in freight service, but they were not the only buyer. 

Some of the A1A-A1A MLW models were unique to CN too, and may have hauled passenger trains on occasion, but they were not ordered with the intent to put them into regular passenger service.  The model in question was.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:10 PM

FM/CLC H-12-46 7618-7629, used on the former Montreal and Southern Counties trackage around Granby. M&SC cut electric service back to Marieville after they took over Montreal commuter service to Central Station/Gare Central.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:17 PM

Damn, he beat me to it by no more than five minutes because it's taken me over 30 minutes to get the Internet to connect!

I was going to add Prince Edward Island, but I think we have discussed the 'rare' passenger service 'around Granby' before, so no surprise there!

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 6:55 PM

Among NDG's favourite locomotives. Many photos posted in the past.

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 10:29 PM

Rcdrye has it.  I had almost forgotten about the M&SC and their diesel ops, but then stumbled upon some photos just as I was trying to think of a question, perfect timing.

It is likely the H-12-46's were used on P.E.I passenger and mixed trains too, some of the units were assigned to the island for a time:Image result for fm h-12-46

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Posted by SD70M-2Dude on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 10:31 PM

Marieville yard with freshly painted interurbans.  Makes the 3 year-old CLC look dull and old:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/297834/

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:15 AM

When I rode the PEI mixed and the train on the ferry (Charlottetown-Moncton, transfer to Ocean Limited) shortly before the passenger service quit (1965 or 1966?), power was a GP-7, if my memory is correct.  Lunch in the boat's dining room.

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Posted by Miningman on Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:38 AM

You are a lucky fella Dave to have taken that train. Except for the local yokels I doubt many have experienced those rare miles. 

Was this a business trip or just a holiday logging in some soon to disappear forever mileage?

Another question--Have you ever made a somewhat reasonable estimate of the total amount of rail-miles you have traveled over...if you strung it all together as one straight track how far have you gone? Approximately of course.

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