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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:17 AM

from: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Thursday and time to begin the day with some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, perhaps an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, and of course a least one mug of our freshly brewed coffee![tup]


Daily Wisdom

A change of pasture kin make the calf fatter.


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Western Pacific (WP) arrives next Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Fish ‘n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] A successful rancher died and left everything to his devoted wife. She was a very good-looking woman, and determined to keep the ranch, but knew very little about ranching, so she decided to place an ad in the newspaper for a ranch hand. Two men applied for the job. One was gay and the other a drunk. She thought long and hard about it, and when no one else applied, she decided to hire the gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have him around the house than the drunk. He proved to be a hard worker who put in long hours every day and knew a lot about ranching. For weeks, the two of them worked, and the ranch was doing very well. Then one day, the rancher's widow said to the hired hand, "You have done a really good job and the ranch looks great. You should go into town and kick up your heels." The hired hand readily agreed and went into town one Saturday night. One o'clock came, however, and he didn't return. Two o'clock and no hired hand. He returned around two-thirty, and upon entering the room, he found the rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace with a glass of wine, waiting for him. She quietly called him over to her. "Unbutton my blouse and take it off," she said. Trembling, he did as she directed. "Now take off my boots." He did as she asked, ever so slowly. "Now take off my socks." He removed each gently and placed them neatly by her boots. "Now take off my skirt." He slowly unbuttoned it, constantly watching her eyes in the fire light. "Now take off my bra." Again, with trembling hands, he did as he was told and dropped it to the floor. " Now," she said, "take off my panties." By the light of the fire, he slowly pulled them down and off. Then she looked at him and said, "If you ever wear my clothes into town again, you're fired." [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 16th thru 22nd: The Molly Macquires (1970) starring: Sean Connery, Richard Harris & Samantha Eggers – and – It Happened to Jane (1959) starring: Doris Day, Jack Lemmon & Ernie Kovacs. SHORT: Punch Drunks (1934).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 05:23:51 (309) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 05:59:48 (309) History of the Lionel Scale Hudson, joke, etc.

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 07:58:03 (309) Inclusive Post & Comments

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 08:09:24 (309) Comments & Hobby URL

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 09:20:16 (309) Acknowledgments & Comments

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 12:13:41 (309) 8 Lionel Catalog Pix

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 13:33:09 (309) BK Report & 6 Pix!

(8) LoveDomes Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 14:24:51 (309) Lars Report & Lionel Steam Locos

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 15:19:31 (309) Inclusive Post & URLs

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 16:50:19 (309) Acknowledgments & Comments

(11) barndad Doug Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 18:01:15 (309) Inclusive Post & Lionel Scale Hudson, Pt II & joke!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 20:17:26 (309) Acknowledgment & Comments

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 20:25:47 (309) The return of Nick at Nite!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 20:50:46 (309) reply to Nick

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 23:19:53 (309) Inclusive Post & Comments

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 00:04:58 (309) Classic Steam #22 – OA&PS




That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:32 AM
Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual 2 lite breakfasts, and thanks Rob for the morning read on your esoteric railroad. Hey, if it didn't stop in Chicago, it's an esoteric railroad to me! I know what you mean about the cost of model trains these days Tom. Seems like the "good" stuff is already expensive, and still it lacks the classic build of older models. Well, I don't have room for any of it yet, and certainly not the $.

Now that we are officially in "move mode" at the homestead, I get to load our little Escape with things to take to the temporary homestead on the evenings. I've had to move my boxes of old train magazines into the garage downstairs too ... and that's not going to make life easier at all! Here's a little something before I run off to work, and have a good day!

From Railroad History in Photographs R&LHS



This wreck near Athol. Mass., on the Vermont & Massachusetts Railroad on June 16, 1870, was caused by the locomotive hitting a hand car standing in the covered bridge (the handcar was loaded with rail). Locomotive “Whittemore,” built at Manchester in 1864, was destroyed. The only fatality was a newsboy on the train. “Peanuts” Johnson, though several were injured. The V&M later became part of the Fitchburg Divisions of the Boston & Maine.

[:I] Late one Friday in Dublin, a policeman spotted a man driving very erratically. He pulled the man over and asked him if he had been drinking that evening.
''Aye, so I have. 'Tis Friday, you know, so me and the lads stopped by the pub where I had six or seven pints. And then there was something called 'Happy Hour' and they served these mar-gar-itos which are quite good. I had four or five o' those. Then I had to drive me friend Mike home and o' course I had to go in for a couple of Guinness -- couldn't be rude, ye know. Then I stopped on the way home to get another bottle for later...'' And the man fumbled around in his coat until he located his bottle of whiskey, which he held up for inspection. The officer sighed, and said, ''Sir, I'm afraid I'll need you to step out of the car and take a breathalyzer test.''
''Why? Don't ye believe me?'' [:I]
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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:49 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a cup of coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.
Apoligize for my absense yesterday but wasted an entire day at the VA left the house at 0530 and returned at 1950. If ever their was a group that needed additional facilities and twice the help I visited it yesterday. In spite of being overworked not one of them was less than professional. But I don't understand haw they can handle the pressure. From what I could see they need at least double the staff they have and ten times the space. This is only supposed to be temporary but it will last at least three more years.

I know off subject so I owe a round to the house.

Tom Have to go to the office today and from the looks of things it is going to be a full day so will leave something on one of your favorite railroads.

NEW YORK
NEW HAVEN
&
HARTFORD
Streamlined Parlor Cars
by Al

The New York New Haven & Hartford owned the largest number of postwar streamlined Parlor cars built for any railroad. Not only did they own the greatest number but they also owned the greatest variety of lightweight streamlined parlor car types. The New Haven operated the only lightweight streamlined all parlor car trains in America the MERCHANTS LIMITED but alas coaches were added within thirty days of its entry into service as a streamlined train.
The fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven externally were all to the postwar so called American Flyer design from Pullman Standards Worcester, Mass. plant. This was originally the old Osgood Bradley plant. The postwar American Flyer design cars featured fluted stainless steel panels both above and below the windows of the car sides.
The New Haven promoted parlor car service more than any other railroad in the United States and at one time nearly every through train between Boston and New York carried one or more parlor cars. The New Haven remained one of the largest users of heavyweight Parlor cars in the late 1930's and throughout the 1940"s. And this was in addition to the fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven in the late 1940's. The lightweight streamlined parlor cars of the New Haven were numbered in the 200s, 300s and 400s. The 200 series parlor cars were named for COUNTIES, the 300 series parlor cars were named for on line CITIES and TOWNS, and the 400 series were named for on line RIVERS.

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 31 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood-Bradley) July - August 1948 Plan: 4503 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

200 MIDDLESEX COUNTY

201 SUFFOLF COUNTY

202 BRISTOL COUNTY

203 DUKES COUNTY

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 32 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503D Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503B Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 14 REVENUE PARLOR SEATS 11 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4501 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

210 KENT COUNTY

211 WASHINGTON COUNTY

212 ULSTER COUNTY

213 TOLLAND COUNTY

214 FAIRFIELD COUNTY

215 QUEENS COUNTY

216 LITCHFIELD COUNTY

217 WINDHAM COUNTY

218 HAMPSHIRE COUNTY

219 BRONX COUNTY

36 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

300 PITTSFIELD

301 BRIDGEPORT

302 MANSFIELD

303 BROCKTON

304 HARTFORD

305 ROWAYTON

306 CRANSTON

307 WORCESTER

308 STAMFORD

309 STONINGTON

310 TORRINGTON

311 PROVIDENCE

52 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS WITH 2-1 SEATING Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

312 ATTLEBORO

313 PAWTUCKET

314 GUILFORD

315 WESTERLY

316 MYSTIC

317 DANBURY

318 GROTON

319 HOLYOKE

320 MERIDEN

321 MILFORD

322 NEWPORT

323 TAUNTON

324 LYME

26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 14 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4502 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 THAMES RIVER

402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 HUDSON RIVER

The New Haven trains assigned Parlor cars with Drawing Rooms and Day Roomettes THE YANKEE CLIPPER; MERCHANTS LIMITED between Boston & New York in both directions. They also operated in unnamed train # 58, THE AMBASSADOR and the BANKERS between Springfield and New York. The SENATOR and THE PATRIOT between Boston and Washington operated with Parlor cars that featured Drawing Rooms. The following trains operated with New Haven parlor cars.

6-9 THE MAYFLOWER between Boston and New York both directions

10 THE MURRAY HILL between New York & Boston

12 THE BAY STATE between New York & Boston

13 THE 42nd STREET between Boston and New York

15-20 THE PURITAN between New York and Boston both directions

28-29 THE GILT EDGE between New York and Boston both directions

33 THE SUNDOWN Boston & New York

Almost immediately after entering service Parlor cars 312 - 324 were a source of complaints, passengers did not like the two and one seating in these cars and voiced their opposition to the New Haven management. For once a railroads management listened and in early 1949 all thirteen cars 312 - 324 were reconfigured with 1-1 seating reducing capacity to 36 the same as Parlor cars 300 - 311.
In June 1949 the New Haven renamed 36-seat Parlor car 305 ROWAYTON to 305 WOONSOCKET.
The five 400 series 26 seat Parlor 14 seat Smoking Lounge cars named for RIVERS were renamed between January and April from RIVER series names to NEW prefix names in order to avoid conflict with NYC cars that shared the same Mott-Haven Coach yard in New York. The following lists the new name and the original name of these cars.

400 NEW BRITAIN originally 400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 NEW ROCHELLE originally 401 THAMES RIVER

402 NEW MILFORD originally 402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 NEW BEDFORD originally 403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 NEW HAVEN originally 404 HUDSON RIVER

In late 1952 the New Haven Passenger Department made the decision to rebuild several parlor cars with Baggage rooms and Drawing Rooms with additional revenue space by eliminating the Baggage Rooms in these cars. All work was performed at Pullman Standards old Osgood –Bradley plant in Worcester where the cars were cycled through. The cars after rebuilding retained their original numbers and names.

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Rebuilt February 1953 to new Plan: 4503D

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503C

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 29 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503E

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

Two of the 300 series 36 seat Parlor cars were remodeled to 72 revenue seat Coaches by the New Haven in April 1964 losing there names and being renumbered into the 7200 series at that time.

7200 originally 300 PITTSFIELD

7201 originally 308 STAMFORD

Eight additional 300 series Parlor cars were remodeled to 7200 series 72 revenue seat coaches in May 1964.

7202 originally 309 STONINGTON

7203 originally 310 TORRINGTON

7204 originally 311 PROVIDENCE

7205 originally 312 ATTLEBORO

7206 originally 315 WESTERLY

7207 originally 317 DANBURY

7208 originally 322 NEWPORT

7209 originally 323 TAUNTON

All remaining New Haven lightweight streamlined Parlor cars were transferred to PC ownership in the 1968 merger.

TTFN AL
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:30 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present. Coffee, please; round for the house and $for the jukebox.

Acknowledgements today interspersed with other material.

Lionel catalog covers were certainly memory joggers.

1949 catalog showed the Sunoco tank car (had several of these in the fleet) and the milk car, 1954-55 books showed the Trainmasters which we mentioned awhile back, and the 1955 cover showed the 6464 series State of Maine boxcar.

BKs pictures of the Fleischmann trains were memory joggers again as some of the larger hobby stores in the Boston area had extensive inventories of Fleischmann products. I always liked the electric locomotives they produced.

Lars – Time zones? Meridian? I always thought that was a division point on the Illinois Central. Learn something new every day.

The Lionel Hudson posts have been combined and copied. BTW, the picture on Barndad’s post enlarges nicely.

Nick – Sound like you had an “interesting” time. The weather there sounds like West Virginia springtime stuff.

Your comments remind me of a time where I spent most of a night sleeping beside the PRR tracks at Aberdeen, MD, as I was on a trip up the NEC from the Puzzle Palace on the Potomac to Boston.

The railroad decided to create a pile of boxcars on the NEC just outside DC which resulted in a multitrack “dewirement.” We were put on a make up train and taken on a roundabout route to Aberdeen via the B&O (talk about some interesting sights en route). We were dropped off there to await our train which would “be along soon.” Well the maxim “late trains always get later” applied. Anyway, being the good camper that I am, I settled in for the night beside the tracks and slept quite well. Believe me it was far better out there than spending the night in some coaches which I think Stonewall Jackson boosted from the B&O in 1861. The train arrived early in the a.m. and I repaired to my sleeper. We arrived in Boston abt. 11 hours behind schedule.

Rob – Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound material was appreciated. We did take advantage of the best thing ever exported from Parry Sound for a few years. Aside to Tom those silly !@#$% never even made the playoffs – how do you do that in the NHL when everybody goes? See you in the rat room!

To Barndad – Athol material hit close to home. My mom was born in Athol as her dad was working for Starrett at the time. They later moved to Providence when he went to work for Brown and Sharpe.

Al - New Haven material is always nice to see. I think over the years I rode in just about every one of them. They did change in configuration and number as you pointed out so well. Most NYNH&H material was junk by the time Amtrak came along because of the way the cars were built. The "County" cars did survive, however, probably the longest of any of their stuff. Peter Lynch's book, New Haven Passenger Tarins has some good interior shots if you want to see what the parlor cars looked like.

I noticed some folks mentioned interest in machining. I looked through the machinery section in the east wing and found the following which might be of interest. Cope, Kenneth L. Makers of American Machinist’s Tools: A Historical Directory of Makers and Their Tools. Mendham, NJ: Astragal Press, 1994. It’s probably long out of print, but try to find it as it has some good material about the different companies and some of their products.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:35 AM
[banghead] I'm sure all of you have heard the expression "the hurrier I go, the behinder I get." That is my current status with pouring over more than 30 days of "out of action." Tom, I'll defintely need a schooner sized Columbian Gold this a.m. as I was slaving over a hot puter much of the night, thanks. One glaring omission was the fact that I let a couple of birthdays get passed me.[v] However, I suppose the injured parties have taken that as an r.s.v.p. as I did with many absentees at my bash last August.[swg]

Since it really isn't Kosher to just "jump in blind," I hope everyone will understand that the scarcity of my present posts are predicated on back stroking through a Tome of prior submissions. I can't let a couple of things go by today without a mention however. CM3, the URL on scratch built 3" guage locos is absoultely astonishing. How a man could possess such a grasp for proportion, detail and accuracy given the "bare bones" machine shop and improvised building materials, is one of the "seven wonders" of M.R.R.ing to me.[:O] Rob yes, those Boston P.C.C.'s certainly looked better than those I recall riding in the late 1950's.[^]

The hours are still on a tight rationed basis here but at my own glacier like pace, I hope to be "up and running" by the time our Rendesvous date arrives. PETE, the "Relay Book" should reach you by the end of this week. Hope you don't think my comments are too severe when you are handed the baton. Something just seemed "out of phase" with the organization of the work.[2c] NICK, the mental imagery conjured forth put your rail trek clearly in my "mind's eye." To all who posted on the "tin plate" (Lionel, et al.) aspect of Pikes Prospective, congratulations for that "trip down memory lane." Okay, it is past rush hour and me little Crayola beckons forth for the onslaught across Tampa Bay, UGH! So long for now and happy rails to all.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:44 AM
G’day Gents!


What a difference a week makes – we were sweltering in high 80s (F) lower 90s this time last week, now things are more “normal” and much more tolerable! Ahhhhhhhhhh![swg]

An interesting start to the AM with visits from our “dependables” returning to the “scene!”<grin>

Very much appreciative of barndad Doug taking the time to share some thoughts and info with us in light of all the events taking place in his life! Many THANX! You exemplify what being a loyal customer is all about and no wonder why you are a member of our Order of the Stools – Permanent status! [tup][tup][tup] Now, if we can only get rid of those jokes . . . <groan>

I'd say that train wreck would ruin one's day, eh[?] Too bad about the fatality . . . .

Ahhhhh, yes the New Haven – any time, any where, any place – just love that stuff . . . thanx, Al.

Ted the Bear has returned AGAIN and it’s good to see you in your familiar spot each morning. Helps us get the juices flowing, so to speak. There is no rush nor an urgency to digest the pages that have slipped on by since your days of being a “regular.” Take your time, they WILL remain for you![swg]

I’m curious regading your RR BOOK RELAY! comments, but surely can wait ‘til the book returns to me. The idea of those pages I inserted for comments was precisely that. So, no point in gilding the Lilly. I’m not the author and my feelings surely won’t be hurt![swg] Appreciate your participation and still am rather perplexed over the reluctance of our “regulars” to even take a look at this PICTURE BOOK . . . . go figger! [%-)][%-)]

CM3 Always a pleasure to pick up on your mid-morning submissions and there’s much to glean from your thoughts. I like the way we are able to use the hobby information and intertwine it so well with our Classic Trains theme of the bar. Works well, donchathink[?] Round and quarters noted and appreciated![tup][tup]

Blues and the playoffs[?] Just wasn't meant to be. No excuses from the ownership and coaches, but I think that year away from the game really put the hurt on this franchise. But you are so correct, it does seem that "everyone" gets in to the playoffs - but it's a bit more difficult than back in the days when 16 out of 21 made it! Now that WAS ridiculous.[yeah]

Hey Count Robulla! Thanx for the “late shift” submissions! Always on point and always something to get us going – to bed that is![swg] Not that your Posts put us to sleep or anything . . . [zzz]

Nice writeup on the OAPS and while I'm not sure about the "esoteric" reference Doug gave it, I'd say - Good job![swg]

Thanx for the E-mails Rob – Lars ‘n BK! Responses en route . . .


As with yesterday, I expect to be behind the bar for the remainder of the day . . . but will most probably slack off on my Posts. Still require some “recharging” after Tuesday’s Marathon. But actually, I too have a life and there have been ‘things’ happening, requiring much of my time and effort – Juneau being only one![swg]

Speaking of my "watch dog" - he watches pretty much everything I do![swg] Thanx to CM3 (aka: Shane I'm not) 'n Doug for the comments . . . dog's are truly the best friends I've ever had. Sorry 'bout that all you gals in those ports-a-call from many decades past![swg]

Have a safe, productive and enjoyable day one and all!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:43 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #85


Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in a 1952 advertisement from my private collection:




BROADWAY LIMITED

NOW CELEBRATING ITS GOLDEN ANNIVERSARY

On June 15, 1902, Pennsylvania Railroad introduced a train between New York-Philadelphia and Chicago – the finest of its day! Now on its golden anniversary, the magnificent all-private room Broadway Limited still sets the standard for dependable travel – a train unmatched in splendor, comfort and convenience. Within the streamlined Broadway Limited you’ll find an exceptional range of accommodations with six types of rooms varying in size from cozy Roomettes to luxurious Master Rooms with private bath and shower. The color and charm of its handsome lounge cars fitted with buffets, easy chairs and divans . . . marvelous food served in a beautifully designed Master Dining Car and traditional Broadway Limited service and courtesy all add to the pleasure of your overnight trip. For the finest in travel between New York and Chicago – ride the Broadway Limited. You’ll enjoy every restful mile!


PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD

Go by Train . . . Safety – with Speed and Comfort


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:44 PM
Hello Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


I don’t know why, but I keep thinking today is Friday! Strange how the mind works when one is retired . . . [%-)] Well, at least I don’t have to be concerned about my “bookend” beating me through the door – they should be en route to wherever it is they plan to spend the weekend.

I think a cold beer should do me fine today – make it a Piels – thanks! Here’s a ten spot for the “Lars Box.”

Like that Pennsy Broadway Limited advertisement! You and I were just kids when that train was in it’s prime. Then along came the 50s, and times began to change so rapidly that before we knew it – gone, gone, gone in a decade to come. Sad, huh[?]

Enjoyed the posts from the quartet of Rob - Doug – CMShane3 & Ted. Always of interest and always inclusive![tup]

Sounds like Nick had himself quite the long holiday weekend, huh[?] From riding trains to sleeping on stone floors – I mean, what more can a guy ask for[?][swg]

Don’t know what it is – but I’m just about talked out![swg] Enjoy it while you can!<grin.>

Got your email, Rob and sent off a response.[tup]


Barkeep – one more, please!


Until the next time!

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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:07 PM



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Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and some Fish 'n' Chips for later now Nick is back.

I know today is not photo day but these are just in from the developers and they tie in with Tuesday's B&M day. They show the bridge just outside Boston North station as described by CM3 taken last October late in the day but before I went to the Boston Beer Works pub nearby[:-^].

A busy evening and morning at the bar[tup].

Thanks for part two of the Hudson model and at there is light at the end of the tunnel in regard to the neighbors. I take it loco Whittemore was built in Manchester USA not Manchester England.?
Its a shame some are saying that the musical joke fell a liitle flat
Toms repeat[C):-)] joke made me[:)] again.

Those were the days ROB when one man was mainly the force behind building a railway, loved the part where the locals wanted too much money for land so he built the harbour in another place. At least some of the lines structures remain as part of a trail not like many old trackbeds in the UK where it is impossible to Know they once existed.

Good to see you back AL on good form with the NY NH&H streamlined cars. Doesn,t Parlour Drawing Room description of a car give a sense of style.

TED l will look out for the book great to see you in again. My mate is back and is going to give me some details of the photos there are some of the smaller railways locos to come.

NICK Look forward to the V of R photos. Glad the weather brightened for your trip , the last time I was on the line it was owned by BR. The scenery is grand as you say from one side of the train. Do they still have the carriages that have the seat running lengthwise facing the valley. [?].
I do hope that they can get one of the other steam engines running or #9 can keep going
there is a great deal of disappointment specially with youngsters when they are expecting a steamer and they get a diesel when perhaps they have travelled many miles to the railway( its different if they know it will be a diesel before hand), also there are other steam NG railways nearby.

LARS Your so right about how rapidly things seem to change on the railroads although it was in the 60s for us [:(].

TOM Thanks for the Pennsy ad. On a link to Rugby ND I though it said that Amtraks Broadway Limited was stopping or was that just the call at RugbyND[?].

[oops] Got to do a errand for the bride hope to be back later. PETE.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:28 PM
G'day!

As many of you already realize, I maintain a running tally of the Daily Summary, thereby making it easier to get it Posted first thing in the AM. In reviewing it thus far, I see that over 6 hours elapsed between customer Posts. That's rather grim for a Thread that prides itself on interaction and the like. Sure seems like the guys have abandoned ship for late morning and afternoon visits.

Having said that, it IS gratifying to acknowledge two of our "mainstays," Lars 'n Pete! As with the "brick 'n mortar" variety of bars 'n grills, this one cannot survive without steady customers - and you two are steady. Much appreciated![tup][tup][tup]

Pete Yoiu made reference to the term, "Cooties" the other day in response to the B'day Bash Quiz question. When I was an adolescent, that term applied to girls and the fictitious "bugs" they had. It was said that "Cooties" inhabited the female, especially if one wanted to get a "rise" out of one![swg] Perhaps there are other definitions, but thta's the one I can relate to. Sorry it took so long to respond. By the by, I believe you are the ONLY one to have actually looked up the answers on "my other thread!" Congrats! Just goes to show who reads . . .

Lars Don't feel bad, sailor man. Even the best of us have days where we'd rather just sit and listen rather than engage. This place has all kinds of things to do - and browsing through the pages 'n pages of great information sometimes is much more gratifying than trying to play catch up with responses.

Pete The Pennsy Broadway Limited ran from NYC to PHiladelphia to Chicago and I believe Amtrak's version of it ended in Chicago as well. Amtrask terminated the run in 1995. No stops in North Dakota - perhaps you are thinking of the Empire Builder.

Interesting PIx from your New England trip, Pete - thanx! [tup]

REMINDER! Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central!)

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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:08 PM
What Ho chaps,just back from band practice (another constant ) so a touch hyper still-Good to start touching base with normal grounded people again.
Right,[4:-)][oX)]TOM,Is it to be beers all round with fish & chips or shall we run out the vintage French vino and cook up some sauces ?
Still in a mild state of limbo as I havn`t had time to flick back through the last few days contributions ( today was `Honey Do` in the garden day-it`s less tiring mixing concrete all day ) so......
Have had an offer to take the Hoochie Coochie band to play at Mojo`s Blues Bar in Ogden,Utah-totally implausible on the face of it,but then I had a thought--If any of you guys know of a venue (no matter how sleazy) near you that puts on bands (cash in hand,no questions asked ) please let me know -perhaps we could put together a tour-It would be a delightful way to get to meet all you good people and would allow me to justify the trip to Missisnick by coming home with more money than I went out with.

O.K, enough from fantasy island already,I`m away to the galley to knock up some of that extra-crispy beer batter for the fish,looks like we have Cod,Plaice & Halibut tonight-also burgers,pies,chicken quarters and real Scampi--break out the malt vinegar,lets have a traditional fish supper night.

Getting close to moonlight mile time so better dive into a different bit of the machine and get pix sent,see you all soon,nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:55 PM
Yo Nick![C=:-)]

Four transmissions received - all Pix look to be ready for downloading - uploading ' downloading again![swg] Many THANX for getting them to me with some slack time - helps alot![tup]

Unsure what it is that you are doing mixing cement, but I'll take "Honey Do" any day, if given a choice!<groan>

Go easy in the kitchen, Chief Chef [C=:-)] as we've really "turned a page" 'round the bar given that hardly anyone seems to follow the food service days Posted in the Daily Summaries! Not reading, you see, is becoming an "issue" with some of the guys and it has shown to be quite embarassing form time to time . . .

Ogen, Utah[?] Now that's a fer piece from West Wales and I'm unaware of any steel rails linking the two![swg] I suppose we could "pool our resources" amongst those going to the Rendezvous in Toronto and perhaps come up with some cold, hard cash for you and the Hoochie Coochie band - but I seriously doubt that it would be sufficient to pay the bar bill![swg]

Getting back to the Pix, if you have a preference regarding which should be Posted first, please let me know. Otherwise I'll put them into "sets" and spread 'em out over three Sundays. Really appreciate your coming through for our Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Things are quiet enough that I'll drag my "spiffy" stool (that Count Robulla ordered for me) around the other side of the bar and enjoy a LaBatt's Blue with ya![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]





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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:09 PM
A Hearty good evening Leon, I think a Keith's and though I've never tried it a platter of the plaice please ( just don't tell me it tastes like chicken )[;)][:o)]

Tom I'm glad to see that you are putting the "throne" to use[;)] it's gratifing to know that you can pop round to the recreational side of the bar now in then.Nice little pennsy ad perfect for a quiet day at our favourite watering hole[^]

Al Ah the Newhaven seems like iot has stirred up some fond memories from the folks here at the bar,glad to see you getting back into the swing of things here as it were,good timing with Doug's treasure troves of info packed away at the moment.

Doug Glad you liked the OA&PS it is an esoteric line ( because it doesn't ruin through the centre of the universe Toronto ![}:)][:D][;)] ) Interesting shot from that magazine,amazing how even back then human kind is drawn to destruction.

Pete I liked those pictures sir, I've only been to Boston twice but it's amazing how the pictures bring back the remeberances of the trips.The little that's left railroad buildingwise of that line is still impressive. When you are in the Park you still see evidence of the foundations and the odd bit of machinery from some of the mills etc. Mostly grown over with new growth trees.The roadbed where it still exists is still in good sahpe as they maintain it as a hikeing and snowmobiling trail. In the town of Mattawa you can see the foundations of tthe roundhouse. It came down only 3 or 4 yeasr ago (****n ) being that it was outside of the Park the building was not raised. It's a parking lot at the moment.

CM3 Hockey can be a trifle infuriating my team had 90 pouints an didn't make the playoffs, I noticed that the coaches got the ole axe today as well.Guess I'll root for the senators now till they dissapear from tthe playoffs.Glad you enjoyed the OA&PS piece as well.

Lars Thanks for the email, a return message is somewhere between here and there !

Ted Yes those Boston PCC's look almost new,in fact I think they look better than the originals when they were first delivered. It's just amazing the skill level of some of the modellers out there. can you smell the carbon and ozone from the TTC's CLRV's yet[?]

Nick I can't think of any suitably seedy bars around here for you to play at. However if you don;'t mind hard floors to sleep on your welcome at our place anytime. You'll even have a live furry pillow that will likley purr you to sleep as well[:D][swg]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:42 PM
Well folks here's another small and "esoteric" line for you all to ponder.

CLASSIC STEAM #23 THE ALGOMA EASTERN RAILWAY

This line was a mining line built to Sudbury, the nickles and copper minning capitol of Ontario. sudbury today is a bustling city on the Canadian Sheild,it owes it's prosperity to the mines and the railways built to them. A century ago, a prospector discovered copper ( at hot hot commodity at the time )and another unknown mineral in the woods near the small railway jct named Sudbury.He could never have realized that his discovery would turn this small whistle stop into a bustling mining town.

This unknown mineral was of coarse nickel,though not a chic jewlery material it was soon to become a vital industrial mineral. The copper viens drew in the mining companies to the area , but the nickel kept them there ( and still does ). Discoveries of nickel were found all around Sudbury in the woods an mine headframes soon popped up everywhere.

Francis Clergue,the dicoverer of the deposits at Wawa and the evntual builder of the Algoma Central Railway, knew a promissingrailway route when he saw one. To tap the new mines in Sudbury he started to build the Algoma Eastern RY ( AER ). In 1900 he took over the defunct charter of the Manitoulan and North Shore Railway ( MNSR ) a route originally proposed to link Manitoulan Island and Sudbury and then establish ferry service to Tobermory on the Bruce penninsula. It joined the CPR in downtown Sudbury which was a line finished twenty years earlier as the CPR's first mainline to Sault Ste Marie. The AER shared it's station with the Canadian Northern. Its yards were in Little Britain a small residential community northwest of Sudbury ( now part of )

West of town the line ran through the woods to the minning frontier sites of Clarabelle, Creighton,Gertrude,O'Donnell,Crean,Victoria, and Worthington.All were small mining centres along the AER each was a community of tough miners and their families. Beyond the mines the line served and area of samll bush farms and some pockets of lumber mills and pulp plants.Espanola was a main logging area served by the AER. From Espanola the line then veered south through the tough shield mountains to the flat limestone plain of Manitoulan island were the lines terminus was located at little Current.

With all the mines and mills in full production the AER was one of Ontario's most promissing railroads. It was one of the few to escape the formation of the CNR when it was created in 1918 to run all the defunct systems found in the country at the end of the First World War.In 1924 Clergues charter for the MNSR / AER had lapsed and the CPR looked longinly at his money making railroad. Atv the time the CPR usually got what it wanted, so in 1930 the AER belonged to them having been leased for a period of 999 years. Less than six years later however the CPR got the axe out and started pruning this new aquisition. By 1960 the portion between Espinola and Creighton was abanndoned, this wasn't a suprise as the CPR's original mainline ran parallel to the AER from Sudbury all the way to McKerrow. The rest of the lines still intacked some still the CPR mainline west, the rest is now part of the Huron Central regional railroad,still making money today.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 21, 2006 5:23 AM

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[:I] Busload of politicians was driving down a country road, when suddenly the bus ran off the road and crashed into an old farmer's barn.
The old farmer got off his tractor and went to investigate. Soon he dug a hole and buried the politicians. A few days later, the local sheriff came out, saw the crashed bus and apsked the old farmer where all the politicians had gone.
The old farmer told him he had buried them.
The sheriff asked the old farmer, "Lordy, they were ALL dead?"
The old farmer said, "Well, some of them said they weren't, but you know how them crooked politicians lie." [:I]


[:I] The LAPD, The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and has each of them try to catch it. The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist. Then the FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming. Finally, the LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten raccoon. The raccoon is yelling: "Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!" [:I]


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SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 05:17:43 (309) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 05:32:53 (310) Barnyard talk, RR History in Photos & joke

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 06:49:41 (310) Streamlined parlor cars of the NYNH&H, etc.

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 08:30:14 (310) Inclusive Post & On-Point Commentary

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 08:35:55 (310) Inclusive Post in Bear Style

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 09:44:10 (310) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 12:43:22 (310) [navy]Nostalgia #85 – PRR Ad (1952)[/navy[

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 14:44:52 (310) Lars Report!

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 16:07:05 (310) Wolfman Howls – pix, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 18:28:22 (310) Acknowledgments, etc.

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 19:08:27 (310) Nick at Nite!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 19:55:06 (310) reply to Nick

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:09:20 (310) Inclusive Post, etc.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:42:40 (310) Classic Steam #23 – AER




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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 21, 2006 5:42 AM
Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual two lite breakfasts please. Good to see Al "back in the saddle" with his streamliner posts. Thanks for the NYNH&H parlor car list Al! Cm3PO, I knew your mom was born in Athol ....that's why I wrote the post! [;)]
Tom, you must know by now, that compaining about my jokes only makes them worse. That's just how it works! Thanks for the PRR Broadway Limited ad. Imagine, 50 years old in 1902! Nice riverside pix Peter, and thanks for the Algoma Eastern Railway article Rob. And now ..here's a little something from me to read with your coffee:

From Railroad History in Photographs R&LHS



The streamlined era on North American railroads arguably began in 1934, when Union Pacific’s M-10000 and Burlington Zephyr were delivered. When the Burlington announced that they would introduce Zephyr-type trains in Chicago-Minneapolis service, a competitive, high-speed route, both Milwaukee Road and Chicago & North Western responded in 1935 with streamlined steam locomotives and upgraded trains.

The Milwaukee trains were named Hiawatha, after the Longfellow poem, and stylist Otto Kuhler designed engine shrouds on the basis of American Locomotive’s wind-tunnel tests, giving rise to the early “bathtub” streamlining style. The first locomotives were large, modern Class A “Atlantic” 4-4-2s, followed in 1939 by Class F7 4-6-4s, all with broad orange and maroon stripes carried forward from the cars, and light gray bodies.

Shown here is No. 10 Class G, one of two antique, low-drivered 4-6-0s selected to be streamlined for the new North Woods Hiawatha. Unlike its big brothers, the “North Woods Hi” was not a creature of a 100-mph main line, but instead crept north from New Lisbon, Wis. On progressively lighter rail of the Wisconsin Valley line, ultimately ending in the woods and weeds at Star Lake, a lonely place then, and all but a ghost town now.

To meet the required low axle loadings of this line, and to save money (a Milwaukee specialty), this 1900-nuilt locomotive was selected in 1936 for application of Kuhler’s Hiawatha shrouding. In 1937, another 4-6-0, No. 11, was also shrouded. Both resembled the road’s famous streamlined Atlantics, but the styling of the 4-6-0s did have individual differences. They also burned coal instead of oil (note the rather small tender).

The train was very popular for North Woods vacationers, and the interesting loads with time overwhelmed the small locomotives. The were replaced by 4-6-2 Pacifics and then in 1947 by Alco RSC-2 road-switchers. Their Hiawatha name was dropped in 1956.

Although streamlined 4-6-0 steam locomotives were common in Europe, these obscure Milwaukee Road veterans were the only such locomotives to be treated in this country. No. 10 was scrapped in May, 1951, and No. 11 in September, 1951. Photo by Harvey Uecker for the Milwaukee Road in 1936, at Milwaukee Shops.

[:I] Bob and Tom walk into a fast food joint one afternoon to get lunch. Tom orders and the cashier gives him his meal. Bob goes up to order and the cashier greets him with "Hello Bob! How are you? Hey everybody! Bob's here!" Everybody in the restaurant comes up and says hello to Bob. After everyone has greeted him, Bob and Tom sit down and begin to eat.
"Bob, you're pretty popular!" says Tom.
"I 'm the most popular man in the world," says Bob.
"Now Bob," says Tom, "you're pretty popular but you're not the most popular man in the world."
"Oh yeah," Bob replies "I'll bet you a thousand dollars that I'm friends with anybody you can name!"
"That so?" answers Tom, "How about the president of the United States?"
"Let's go!" says Bob.
The two fly to Washington and knock on the front door of the White House. The president answers, "Bob! How are you doing? I haven't seen you in ages!" The three go play a round of golf and then leave.
"That was luck!" says Tom, "Two thousand says your not friends with the Queen of England!"
"Let's go!" says Bob.
The two fly to Buckingham Palace and, sure enough, are greeted by the Queen. ''Hello Bob my boy! What have you been up to these days?" They enter the palace and have some tea and leave.
Frustrated, Tom says, "Double or nothing, you don't know the Pope!"
"Bennie!" says Bob, "Let's go!"
When they get to the Vatican, Bob instructs Tom to wait outside and Bob will come out on the balcony with his arm around the Pope. After a while, a crowd gathers to hear the Pope speak. And as told by Bob, when the Pope came out, Bob's arm was wrapped around him. Bob looks down from the balcony and saw Tom passed out on the ground. He rushes down and wakes him up.
"Tom! Tom Wake up!"
Tom opens his eyes and says, "Bob. You're the most popular man in the world."
"I told you that, Tom," says Bob, "but you didn't faint when I knew the President! You didn't faint when I knew the Queen!"
"Well, I was shocked that you knew the Pope," says Tom. "But I just couldn't take it when the guy next to me tapped me on the shoulder and said "Who's that up there with Bob?" [:I]
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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, April 21, 2006 7:39 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a quick coffee and one of those crumpets from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Can't belive we are still so busy doing taxes and probably will be up until October.

Thought you might like this on the PRR.

PENNSYLVANIA
Streamlined Parlor Cars
by Al

The PRR received their first lightweight streamlined Parlor cars in 1951 - 1952 from Budd for assignment to the CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS. The new streamlined Budd built CONGRESSIONALS replaced heavyweight trains in this service. Each eighteen car CONGRESSIONAL operated a daily round trip schedule between New York and Washington, so passengers had a choice of two CONGRESSIONALS in each direction daily.
Each consist provided coach seating for 480 passengers and Parlor car seating for 223. Eight of each eighteen car CONGRESSIONALS consist were for the exclusive use of Parlor car passengers only. Five of these cars were 29 revenue seat parlor cars with a 5-seat parlor drawing room. One car in each consist of the CONGRESSIONALS was a seven conference room car with telephone room the seven Conference rooms could be opened up as a boardroom if needed. Bringing up the markers of each CONGRESSIONAL was an 18 seat Parlor Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observation. The CONGRESSIONAL carried a twin-unit dining car ahead of the parlors the first car was a 72-seat dining car trailed by a Kitchen 21 seat Lounge Car. The latter car of the twin unit set was open to Parlor car passengers only.
The SENATORS were Boston - Washington trains operating via PENN station New York and they provided daily service in each direction. The Coach seating capacity of the 14 car SENATORS was 480 passengers and the Parlor seats numbered 116. The SENATORS featured three 29-revenue seat parlor cars with a 5-seat parlor drawing room. The fourth SENATOR Parlor car was the 14-revenue seat Parlor Telephone room Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observation. Each of the Parlor cars was named for famous Americans from the revolutionary period and was assigned to specific trains. Those Parlor cars assigned to the CONGRESSIONALS are identified by © following the name and those built for the SENATORS are identified by (S) following the name.

29 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 5 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM CARS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9526 Lot: 9628 - 110 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS)

7130 CASIMAR PULASKI ©

7131 GENERAL LAYFAYETTE ©

7132 HENRY KNOX ©

7133 JOHAN PRINTZ ©

7134 JOHNS HOPKINS ©

7135 LEONARD CALVERT ©

7136 ROBERT MORRIS ©

7137 WILLIAM PENN ©

7138 BARON DeKALB (S)

7139 HENRY HUDSON (S)

7140-MILES STANDISH (S)

7141 PAUL REVERE (S)

7142 ROGER WILLIAMS (S)

7143 MOLLY PITCHER©

7144 NATHAN HALE (S)

7145 BETSY ROSS ©

SEVEN 5 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CONFERENCE ROOM TELEPHONE ROM CARS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9527 lot: 9628 - 110 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS)

7146 MATHIAS W. BALDWIN

7147 THOMAS A. EDISON

Car 7146 MATHIAS W. BALDWIN was originally to have been named VICTOR EMANUEL but PRR felt that the founder of the Baldwin Locomotive works located in Philadelphia deserved some recognition so the car name MATHIAS W. BALDWIN was applied to this car before delivery from Budd.

14 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR TELEPHONE ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9528 Lot: 9628-110 (Built for and assigned to SENATORS)

7126 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

7127 MARTHA WASHINGTON

18 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9529 Lot: 9628 - 110 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS)

7128 GEORGE WASHINGTON

7129 ALEXANDER HAMILTON

The PRR never purchased any additional new streamlined Parlor cars for any other service. When additional streamlined Parlor cars were required for trains between Washington and New York the PRR turned to some of their little used prewar sleeper lounge observations and later some of the postwar sleeper lounge Observations. There were no internal changes made to these cars they were simply designated as parlors and they were assigned 7100 series numbers for parlor car service. Two of these cars were designated Parlor cars in January 1957 and followed by two additional cars in April 1957. The five postwar cars were designated parlors in November 1957.

1 DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 MASTER ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4080 Lot 6548 (Designated Parlor cars January 1957)

7150 SKYLINE VIEW originally 8116 SKYLINE VIEW

7151 WASHINGTON VIEW originally 8117 WASHINGTON VIEW

1 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOMS BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4081 Lot: 6549 (designated Parlor cars April 1957)

7152 WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON ex PRR 8111 WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON originally PRR 8111 JUNIATA NARROWS

7153 SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK ex PRR 8113 SAMUEL VAUGN MERRICK ex PRR 8113 WAKE ISLAND originally PRR 8113 JACK'S NARROWS

1 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard February - March 1949 Plan: 4134 Lot: 6792 (Designated Parlor cars November 1957)

7154 ALEXANDER JOHNSTON CASSATT originally PRR 8424 ALEXANDER JOHNSTON CASSATT

7155 WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY originally PRR 8427 WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY

7156 FRANK THOMSON originally PRR 8423 FRANK THOMSON

7157 JAMES McCREA originally PRR 8425 JAMES McCREA

7158 GEORGE BROOKE ROBERTS originally PRR 8422 GEORGE BROOKE ROBERTS

These last five cars were returned to Sleeper Lounge Service in June 1958 and reverted to their 8400 series numbers. The four prewar Sleeper Lounge Observations remained in Parlor car service until retired by the PRR in 1961.
By the mid 1960's the PRR was once again in need of additional Parlor cars and so turned to the Sleeper Lounge fleet of cars they owned. There were two types of cars selected 3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 27 seat lounge cars of the COLONIAL series and 6 Double Bedroom Buffet 20 seat Lounge cars from the FALLS series as follows:

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1949 Plan: 4132 Lot: 6792 (Designated Parlor cars at the following times)

MAY 1964

7148 COLONIAL CABINS originally 8411 COLONIAL CABINS

7149 COLONIAL CRAFTS originally 8412 COLONIAL CRAFTS

7150 COLONIAL FLAGS originally 8413 COLONIAL FLAGS

7151 COLONIAL ARMS originally 8414 COLONIAL ARMS

7152 COLONIAL HOUSES originally 8415 COLONIAL HOUSES

7153 NICHOLAS FIRESTONE ex 8416 NICHOLAS FIRESTONE originally 8416 COLONIAL DOORWAYS

7154 COLONIAL LANTERNS originally 8417 COLONIAL LANTERNS

June 1964

7155 COLONIAL SCOUTS originally 8418 COLONIAL SCOUTS

6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 20 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard September 1940 Plan: 4086A Lot: 6565 Designated Parlors on the following dates)

MAY 1964

7156 ELM FALLS originally 8132 ELM FALLS

7157 HICKORY FALLS originally 8134 HICKORY FALLS

7158 SYCAMORE FALLS originally 8141 SYCAMORE FALLS

MAY 1965

7159 BIRCH FALLS originally 8129 BIRCH FALLS

7160 BUTTERNUT FALLS originally 8138 BUTTERNUT FALLS

7161 CYPRESS FALLS originally 8131 CYPRESS FALLS

7162 LOCUST FALLS originally 8136 LOCUST FALLS

This was the extent of lightweight streamlined Parlor cars on the PRR until the PC merger in 1968.


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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, April 21, 2006 8:20 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox

Gas is at $2.95 this a.m. ‘Nuff said!

The Boradway ad was nice to see.

Pete – Thanks for sharing the pictures of North Station from afar. The new bridge in the foreground of the pictures is part of the Big Dig project – another never-ending source of frustration, although they did name one of the new harbor tunnels for Ted Williams.

You are correct re Manchester. This was the Manchester Locomotive Works located in Manchester, New Hampshire.

Rob. Algoma Eastern – always interested in anything mining.

Barndad – No Athol jokes, please. IIRC, I heard them all from my mom who always said Athol was a “great place to be from.”

Re the MILW; lots of folks think of the 4-4-2s and bigger power on the Hi, but forget about the 4-6-0s. Thanks for bringing them forward.

Al : Again I rode on most of the Senator/Congo cars you mentioned in your list. More than a few of them survived into Amtrak; Johan Printz comes to mind here. BTW, the area Native Americans nicknamed him “Great Tub” because of his girth.

The local news here last night had an interesting piece on a Marx Toy museum in Glen Dale, WV. I’ll get some material together on that for next week’s Pike Perspective.

I’ll close with another website which will keep you occupied for hours. There’s lots of railroad-related material in here. Enjoy!

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/index.htm

work safe



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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 21, 2006 8:36 AM
G’day Gents!


Another end of the week has arrived and let’s all hope for fair weather, “lost Honey-Do lists,” and cold beer throughout – you pick the ordering![swg]


To the acknowledgments:

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:09:20


A fine inclusive Post, m’boy, well done![tup] ‘Tis a pity that those who could use the example hardly ever read the Posts!

The “Throne” is it[?] Hmmmmm, I’ll have to think about that name for my “permanent stool”. . . Perhaps you have the Queen’s 80th Birthday on your mind, eh[?][swg]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:42:40


And as CMShane3 could attest – mining and railroads, a partnership, fer sure, fer sure! Nice Classic Steam piece on the Algoma Eastern Railway!


barndad Doug
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 05:42:35


Man oh man, that Milwaukee Road 4-6-0 is sure a “funky” looking machine. Almost thought it was a toy when I first viewed the Pix! Interesting story and appreciate your providing it for us![tup][tup]

Jokes[?] Those are jokes[?] Where oh where did I go wrong!![?][?] Argggggggggggggggh. Actually, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (or something like that) so if you’ve been following the daily SUMMARIES[ you’ll note that YOUR efforts are being ENCORED for one and all to gag laugh at![swg]

Are you certain that you cannot make the Toronto Rendezvous[?] You surely would fit right in with all that is expected to go on . . . [tup]


passengerfan Al
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 07:39:12


More streamlined parlor cars and for my favorite RR at that! Appreciate the info. . . . [tup]


coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 08:20:37


So, isn’t “Athol” an impolite way of referring to another[?]<drumroll>[swg]

Oh fine, ANOTHER web site to gobble up leisure time! <geesh> How’s a guy to goof off when he’s expected to browse the day away[?][swg] Good one![tup]

Thanx for the quarters & round – you can keep the gasoline prices! I have to fill up 2 cars today and expect to pump about 30 gallons. So at $2.80 (rounded) per gallon – go figger! Now that’s serious money where I come from.



Okay boyz, I’ve got some things to attend to, but I expect to be able to “handle” things for the remainder of the day!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 21, 2006 12:05 PM
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DOME NAMES

Ever wonder about the different names applied to passenger cars with domes[?] I have! Check out this list found on www.trainweb.org

These are “generic” names listed in two parts – 1st by name; 2nd by railroad:


BY NAME
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"Astra Domes" – General Motors
"Astra Domes" - UP

"Big Domes" - ATSF full domes
"Big Domes" - Auto Train ex ATSF cars

"Colorados" - Holland America Colorado Railcar "Ultra Domes"

"Dome Cars" - Amtrak
"Dome Cars" - N&W
"Dome Cars" - Southern
"Domeliners" - UP trains with dome cars(generic)
"Domes" - Holland America (generic to differentiate from 'Colorados')

"Goldleaf Domes" - Rocky Mountaineer (honorary)
"Great Domes" - GN

"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - ATSF "El Cap" lounges(honorary)
"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - Amtrak ex-ATSF lounges(honorary)

"Lounge in the Sky" - NP rebuilt sleepers
"Luxury Domes" - Transcisco

"Maxi Domes" - Ferrovias Mexicanas ex US baggage cars cars
"Maxi Domes" - Auto Train ex UP cars
"Mini Domes" - Auto Train ex WP cars

"Park" cars - CP Rail observation domes
"Park" cars - VIA Rail observation domes
"Planetarium" dome - IGN
"Planetarium" domes - MP
"Planetarium" dome - T&P
"Pleasure Domes" - ATSF short domes
"Princess Domes" - Amtrak ex Princess Tours cars
"Princess Domes" - Princess Tours ex-MILW cars

"Scenadomes" - Holland America Westours
"Sceneramic Domes" - CN
"Scenic Domes" - CP Rail (all)
"Sightseer Lounges" - Amtrak Superliner lounges(honorary)
"Skyline" cars - CP Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skyline" cars – VIA Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skytops" - Milwaukee Road observations(honorary)
"Stairway to the Stars" - SP
"Strata Domes" - B&O
"Sun Lounges" - SAL (honorary)
"Super Domes" - Milwaukee Road

"Turbo Domes" - Amtrak for their UA Turbos
"Turbo Domes" - PC/USDOT (honorary)
"Turquoise Domes" - ATSF short domes(not official)

"Ultra Domes" - Princess Tours ex SP bi-levels

"Vista Domes" - Alaska RR
"Vista Domes" - C&O
"Vista Domes" - CB&Q (orginator of the term)
"Vista Domes" - D&RGW
"Vista Domes" - GN short domes
"Vista Domes" - IC
"Vista Domes" - NP short domes
"Vista Domes" - SCL
"Vista Domes" - SP&S
"Vista Domes" - Wabash
"Vista Domes" - WP


BY RAILROAD
===================================

Alaska RR "Vista Domes"
Amtrak "Dome Cars" for most Heritage cars
Amtrak "Sightseer Lounges" for Superliners(honorary)
Amtrak ex ATSF lounges "Hi-Level" or "High-Level"(honorary)
Amtrak ex Princess Tours cars "Princess Domes"
Amtrak UA Turbos "Turbo Domes"
ATSF full domes "Big Domes"
ATSF short domes "Pleasure Domes"
ATSF short domes(not official) "Turquoise Domes"
ATSF "El Cap" lounges "Hi-Level" or "High-Level"(honorary)
Auto Train ex ATSF cars "Big Domes"
Auto Train ex UP cars "Maxi Domes"
Auto Train ex WP cars "Mini Domes"

B&O "Strata Domes"

CN "Sceneramic Domes"
CP Rail observation domes "Park" cars
CP Rail (all) "Scenic Domes"
CP Rail 'midtrain' domes "Skyline" cars
C&O "Vista Domes"
CB&Q (orginator of the term) "Vista Domes"
CMSP&P "Super Domes"
CMSP&P "Skytops"(honorary)

D&RGW "Vista Domes"

Ferrovias Mexicanas "Maxi Domes"

General Motors "Astra Domes"
GN full domes "Great Dome Lounges"
GN short domes "Great Dome Coaches" & "Vista Domes"

Holland America Westours "Colorados" Colorado Railcar "Ultra Domes"
Holland America Westours "Domes" (generic to differentiate from the ‘Ultra Domes')
Holland America Westours "Scenadomes"

IC "Vista Domes"
IGN "Planetarium" dome

Milwaukee Road "Super Domes"
Milwaukee Road "Skytops"(honorary)
MP "Planetarium" domes

N&W "Dome Cars"
NP rebuilt sleepers "Lounge in the Sky"
NP short domes "Vista Domes"

PC/USDOT (honorary) "Turbo Domes"
Princess Tours ex-MILW cars "Princess Domes"
Princess Tours ex SP bi-levels "Ultra Domes"

Rio Grande "Vista Domes"
Rocky Mountaineer (honorary) "Goldleaf Domes"

Santa Fe full domes "Big Domes"
Santa Fe short domes "Pleasure Domes"
Santa Fe short domes (not official) "Turquoise Domes"
SAL "Sun Lounges"(honorary)
SCL "Vista Domes"
Southern "Dome Cars"
SP "Stairway to the Stars"
SP&S "Vista Domes"

T&P "Planetarium" dome
Transcisco "Luxury Domes"

UP "Astra Domes"
UP trains with dome cars "Domeliners"

Wabash "Vista Domes"
WP "Vista Domes"

VIA Rail observation domes "Park" cars
VIA Rail 'midtrain' domes "Skyline" cars



credit: www.trainweb.org


Enjoy![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 21, 2006 12:23 PM
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SOMETHING very SPECIAL arrives on Track #1

MONDAY morning!

Watch for it!



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by LoveDomes on Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM
G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


It just occurred to me that my baseball team has the best record in the game – as of this post. Of course, it is all subject to change. But to realize that the New York Mets have jumped out to such a fine start is indeed, startling![tup][swg]


Barkeep, set ‘em up if you please and I’ll take a JD on the rocks. Here’s a ten spot for the “Lars Box.”[tup]


Hey Tom that’s quite a listing of my favorite information – DOMES! Man, that’s quite an impressive array. Whoever did that deserves at least a toast! Cheers![tup][tup][tup]


Another quiet day after a flurry of activity this morning, which is pretty much the pattern lately, huh[?] Actually, that’s not so bad – at least you don’t have to check the thread during these times. And so what if someone does post – it’s not an “instant messenger” type thing. Responses will come – ultimately.[tup]


Again, nice posts from Rob – Doug ‘n Coal-what’s-his-face-no-I’m-not-Shane! Now that’s a mouthful, huh[?][swg]


Looks like we’re going to have a rainy weekend – but it is a glorious spring day today. Have some outside activity to finish up, so I best get to it. Hope to join you over the weekend.



B4 checking out, here’s something for all who appreciate DOMES!


Dome car

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: www.wikipedia.com



A dome car owned by the Santa Fe Railroad in the 1950s. (from: www.trainweb.com)

A dome car is a type of railroad passenger car that can include features of a lounge car, dining car and an observation. Its primary feature is a glass dome on the top of the car where passengers can ride and see in all directions around the train.

Configuration

A portion of the car, usually in the center of the car, is split between two levels, with stairs leading both up and down from the train's regular passenger car floor level. The lower level of the dome usually consisted of a small lounge area, while the upper portion was usually coach or lounge seating within a "bubble" of glass on the car's roof. Passengers in the upper portion of the dome were able to see in all directions from a vantage point above the train's roofline.


The interior of a dome configured as a diner (Creative Commons)

On some dome cars, the lower portion was built as a galley, where car attendants used dumbwaiters to transfer items between the galley and a dining area in the dome portion of the car.

History

The popular story is that the first dome cars in North America were conceived by Western Pacific's President Harry Mitchell. Mr. Mitchell was riding in the cab of one of his railroad's diesel locomotives through the Rockies when he thought that every passenger should be able to see the scenery that is passing by on his railroad's passenger trains. His idea was to provide a full 360-degree view from above the train in newly built "vista-dome" cars. The idea really wasn't too radical as railroad cabooses were often built with a cupola above the car's roofline so the train crew could get a better view of the train, and the Canadian Pacific Railway had used 'tourist cars' with raised, glass-sided viewing cupolas on their trains through the Canadian Rocky Mountains in the 1920s. Modern Vista-dome cars were introduced on the California Zephyr inauguration in 1949.


Auto-Train Dome Car 510 began life on the Sante Fe Railroad. Photo credit www.TrainWeb.com

As dome cars became more common on North American passenger trains, some western railroads purchased or built "superdomes". These were dome cars where the upper level of the car extended for nearly the entire length of the car. Starting in the 1980s, the use of the dome car has become rarer as Amtrak has introduced new bi-level passenger cars that reach the maximum possible height over the length of the car. Dome cars are very popular on tourist railways and private charter rail services.

*********************************


Until the next time!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, April 21, 2006 3:21 PM
Good afternoon Tom ( it's rainy so the suns not causing me grief )[8D][:o)] I think I'll just nab a blue in your honour this aft an pull up my chair beside your throne. Just wondering why you have Tex and Awk both chained to it[?] Oh and to answer the next question on your mind no I haven't made it up to the attic yet. After we chatted on the phone I found the honey-do list I had been ignoring for a while under my coffee cup.[8] I'm guessing it wasn't there as a coaster[:I]
Fine list o domecar names and owners that you put forth there, that's quite the compilation,I see that it already has been lars approved [tup][:D]
I had forgot that her majesty was turning the big 80 today. Goes to show that a shot of gin a day does wonders for the complexion[:I]


CM3 I'm glad that the AER post caught your eye and approval, I figured that you would "dig" it[;)][:o)][:I] That was quite the url site that you posted as well. It will take me a bit to dig through it as well. I've noticed that our gas prices here have steadied at $1.07 a litre [tdn][:(!]

Doug glad you got a good read out of the AER as well. Liked the streamlining article you've put forth today. I have to say though that I too thought the picture was a toy till I got a good look at it.Guess my glasses are worse than I thought. Coarse following along with your joke of the day, I had an uncle that always said of politicians that you can exactly tell when one's lying, his lips are moving[:p][:D][:I]

Sir lars Ah the lone bookend has bestowed upon us another fine piece of information on the rail cars of his dreams. I like the interior shot,I'm guessing that it's you in the photograph[:D] PS don't tell the Braves fans that you are in first place they may pout and fold thier tents earlier than usual this season.[swg]

Al What can I say, heeee's back two data dumps in two days. Good stuff as per always,I'm guessing the boss will get a charge out of them.[tup]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, April 21, 2006 3:48 PM
Well I figure that I'll drop a bit of dinner hour reading into your laps this evening. Since I've hit everyone with alot of Classic steams lately, I figure that it's time to satrt a multipart series of Classic diesel stuff again.

CLASSIC DIESELS # 18 DIESEL CONVERSIONS PT 1

Ever wonder what happens to diesel locomotives when they become to old and therfore expensive to rebuild ? In many cases they are scrapped, however allot of times the railroads find other uses for them and squeeze a few more years and a few more dollars out of them. I feel that the railroads are the first recyclers of the world.

Heater Cars

In the early yeasr of passenger trains, passenger cars were most often heated with individual stoves, a ready sorce of ignition and fires in the early days of railway operations.In the 1880's the stove began to slowley give way to steam heat piped straight from the locomotive. In 1890 the Milwaukee Road built a pair of electric-light-and-heat tenders for their Pioneer Limited, as the small 4-4-0's they used for power on the train didn't have enough steam capacity to heat the cars that way, and underframe generators wern't small of efficient enough at the time to electrically heat the cars independantly. The heat tenders carried small coal fired boilers inside and a steam driven dynamo to produce light and heat for the passenger cars.

The next railway to pick up on this was the Great Northern they had four heater cars built by the St Louis car Co in 1928. they were 40 feet long and looked like a short baggage car. These cars were used in the electrified terrotories and therefore drew their power from the electric locomotives thus they had no boiler. GN built a few more boxcar type versions in the 1940's with boilers finally replacing them in the early 60's with less manpower intensive semi-automated cars built from retired diesel locomotives

The first such cars were rebuilt from retired surplus F3B's and F9B's cars 10-19 which were equiped with steam generators for passenger trains. The prime mover was replaced by two 4500 p per hour steam geberators a 220v GM diesel generator to run them and a 12,000 gallon water tank. the cars were mu controllable and saw systrem wide use on passenger trains equiped with steam heat cars.

When Amtrak was formed they bought cars 10-15 ( renumbered amtrak 1910-1915 ).BN kept the others for their business train and speacial passenger runs though Amtrak often rented them these were all retired once Amtrak went to HEP heat on all their passenger trains.

VIA Rail also used similar built cars of CNR parentage these were custom built by MLW into an express reefer body however. CPR did convert three Cliner B units to mobile heater cars for use on the Dominion as well.

The only other major locomotive conversion was by the D&RGW for use on the ski train. They took an old Alco PB1 placed it on emd blomberg trucks and set up a sinmillayly equiped heater car to teh GN ones. They also used a converted locomotive tender as an auxillery steam heat car. Both were retired in 1988 when they purchased the electrically heated tempo train cars for this train from VIA rail.


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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 21, 2006 4:40 PM
G'day!

Around the "Hit 'n Miss" or "Feast or Famine" bar 'n grill, one never knows what to expect OTHER than some truly interesting and educational material. Today has been one of "those days" where the flow, while a bit limited, has been "right on!" Congrats to all (including Moi) for keeping to the "theme" of "Our" Place - which of course is Classic Trains! [tup][tup][tup]

Lars That was a great idea to compliment my submission with the Dome article! Really makes for a good fit.[tup][tup][tup]

Rob I'll say this about you - for a guy who professes to NOT being "into" Classic Trains you surely cudda fooled me![swg] Nice work with the info regarding the heater cars, etc. You are so correct, I'd say the railroads did a great job at being ahead of the pack when it came to getting the most life out of their equipment. And why not[?] The costs would gag a healthy maggot (a "siberianmoism" . . . .) [swg]

This has been "communications day" at my Haus - whether it be phone, E-mail, this Thread or snail mail, I've been quite busy trying to stay abreast of it all. And here I thought no one cared! [swg]<grin>

A day without Wolfman Pete![?] Hmmmmmm - if memory serves me correctly, I think this is the night he and his bride are going to be here in St. Louis attending the Cards vs Cubs game. So, he'll be drinking from a different sort of container tonight and of course, sitting in a seat other than on his Reserved Stool! Enjoy the game - or as you Brits like to say, "Match!" It should be a good one as the rivalry goes back many, many years. Unlike some of the "Rowdies" we've read about from GB & the Continent, there shouldn't be fear of a rampage through the streets once the game ends . . . [swg] It's only 1 of 162 games!<groan>

Okay - so it's Friday nite - this is supposed to be a "biggie" 'round the joint. The BEST - by far - pizzas in the land - the BEST - by far - steaks grilled to near-perfection. So, where are the hordes of customers[?] Sure, we can depend on the track gangs, they are ALWAYS ready to devour everything and anything in sight that isn't "wiggling." [swg] But we used to have a clientele who enjoyed our bill o' fare . . . .

REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 21, 2006 7:51 PM
G'day!

We've been featuring DOMES over on "my other Thread!" Here's a sample, B4 I check out for the nite . . .


VIA Rail #8708 Kootenay Park (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 21, 2006 9:07 PM
Evenin' Tom and gents! I'll have several bottomless draughts, as I actually survived this dreaded work week! Drinks are on me fellas, and I have plenty of Michigan quarters to keep the tunes playing for hours! Great listing of PRR Parlor Cars Al. I guess the names are politically correct. Nice Diesel conversion article Rob. Very informative. Lars posted, of all things, pictures and information on dome cars ...imagine that! Tom did his domework [;)] too, and came up with that nifty list of dome car names, and domes are great .. but whatabout a car like this?



The Pullman observation car "Isabella" was built for exhibition at the 1893 Columbian Exposition in Chicago. As described in the Railraod Gazzette, June 8, 1894, the car had "8 sections, an observation room and ladies bath. Exterior was Pullman Umber (brown), red doors and window sash, gold leaf trim. Interior: Empire design with mahogany and vermillion wood, gilded trim, pink plush upholstery; upper windows, tinted leaded glass." In 1893, the car was renamed "Pacific" and in 1901 carried slain Pres. William McKinley from Buffalo to Washington, the to Canton, Ohio. Pullman neg. 3090

This will be a busy weekend for me, as the wife is taking an exam in the morning, and then I spend tomorrow buying a lawnmower and paint, and then spend the next two days using my new toys! I've got some Sunday pix all ready for ya'll, but may have to post them late in the day. Hope you understand!

[:I] A man walks into a bar, sits down on a bench and orders a cold one. He swigs down the beer, looks in his pocket, cringes and orders another. He gulps down that one, looks in his pocket again, cringes and orders yet another one. This goes on for at least an hour and a half.
Finally the bartender, bursting with curiosity, says, "I know it's none of my business buddy, but I have to ask. Why the whole "drink, look in pocket, cringe and order another one" routine?"
"Well," slurred the man, "There's a picture of my wife in my pocket. When she starts to look good, then it's time for me to go home." [:I]

Yes Tom, I certainly did notice that my "jokes" are being recycled. Are you trying to chase away all the customers, or trying to save money that should be spent on an exterminator?
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, April 21, 2006 11:58 PM
Good evening Leon is that medium rare extra thick cut ready for me[?] Ah good that and a pitcher of Keith's please.

It has slowed down a tad today but the info is good and definatly on theme which is A okay with me[^]
Doug That's quite the parlour car I must say. I didn't figure that pink plush was an in colour at the time but I guess I'm wrong. Alot of our unterurban cars at the museum have the leaded glass in the upper sashes as well,L&PS * and the M&SC 107 also have stained glass in the upper sashes, Neat picture at any rate.

I do hope Petes had a good day at the game he and Nick were vrey much missed today. Hopefully everyone's in fine form for doing some serious encoring tomorrow[:D] I'l;l be in and out with work but I have a few things in mind.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:04 AM
Here's one new classic Ad to be added to the classic barn series ( hopefully the photo appears )

CLASSIC ADS # 7 SPANS THE WORLD

This of coarse is the promotional shots of one of Canada's more famous railway slogans from over the years. This would have heralded from the early 50's



Enjoy

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:12 AM
Okay since it's now officially Saturday i will leave you with an early encore to get encore saturday started off on the right hoof.[;)][swg]

ENCORE ! ENCORE !

This is an encore of another classic ad in keeping with the last post I made.This is Classic ads #5 a super continental ad from the mid fifties, originally posted on pg 270 though technical difficulties with photobucket made that attempt not work all that well.

Pleas cross fingers and eyes ! [swg]

Rob

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