Photo the the day: The South Wind

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Photo the the day: The South Wind
Posted by Jones1945 on Saturday, February 09, 2019 3:22 AM

Thank you Classis Trains for showing us the precious photo of streamlined Louisville & Nashville 4-6-2 hauling the South Wind.

http://ctr.trains.com/photo-of-the-day/2019/02/south-wind-heading-north

http://ctr.trains.com/photo-of-the-day/2019/01/calmed-south-wind

The South Wind was another Fleet of Modernism train pushed by Pennsy and operated jointly by the Pennsylvania Railroad, the Louisville and Nashville Railroad, the Atlantic Coast Line Railroad (later became Seaboard Coast Line), and the Florida East Coast Railway. Beside the Pennsy, all railroads who run the South Wind wanted the train hauling by diesel engine but PRR "initially rejects diesel for its portion of the South Wind"

Some extract about the South Wind from "A GENERAL CHRONOLOGY OF THE PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD COMPANY" :


"K4s No. 2665 and 1120 streamlined at Juniata Shops to a simplified design by Raymond Loewy for The South Wind; tender No. 6806 streamlined next day; L&N also streamlines several Pacifics and FEC assigns an E3 diesel.

The South Wind, seven-car all-coach Budd streamliner, inaugurated between Chicago and Miami via Louisville and Montgomery, Ala., every third day, in coordinated service with IC and "Dixie Line" routes; runs through in 29:30 on a one-night-out schedule; Budd stainless steel consist is painted in Fleet of Modernism colors; is baggage-dormitory car, 4 coaches, diner, and buffet-lounge-observation car. (Kay, PR)

In 1941, PRR orders first passenger road diesel (A EMD E6A/B set), a 4,000 HP A-A combination, for The South Wind; order later canceled by War Production Board."

FEC's E3: 

 

Schedule of the South Wind in 1941:

http://www.streamlinerschedules.com/concourse/track2/southwind194106.html

Do you know what kind of engine the SAL used for the South Wind? Thank you in advance! 

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, February 09, 2019 8:05 AM

Jones1945
Do you know what kind of engine the SAL used for the South Wind? Thank you in advance! 

SAL was not used in the route of the South Wind.  To my knowledge, ACL used their regular passenger 4-6-2's on their segment.  The only diesels the ACL had at that time were some yard engines and the locomotives used on The Champion, also a lightweight streamlined all coach train operated between Miami and New York, with the ACL operating if from Jacksonville to Richmond.

I find it somewhat curious that all the original streamliners, The Champion, The Silver Meteor, The Dixie Flagler, The City of Miami and The South Wind - were all all coach 7 car trains with nominally the same mix of equipment.

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Posted by Deggesty on Saturday, February 09, 2019 10:42 AM

Balt, it is interesting that there was very little difference in the equipment from train from train to train in the three that ran in successive days between Chicago and Miami.

Another item: was each train really turned and ready for departure from Miami about an hour and a half after arrival? There must have been one or more cleaners assigned to each car.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:10 AM

I found a neat musical number concerning the "South Wind," and a color shot of one of those L&N streamlined Pacifics shows up at around 1:35.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvkaGacte4  

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Posted by Jones1945 on Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:12 PM

BaltACD

SAL was not used in the route of the South Wind.  To my knowledge, ACL used their regular passenger 4-6-2's on their segment.  The only diesels the ACL had at that time were some yard engines and the locomotives used on The Champion, also a lightweight streamlined all coach train operated between Miami and New York, with the ACL operating if from Jacksonville to Richmond.

I find it somewhat curious that all the original streamliners, The Champion, The Silver Meteor, The Dixie Flagler, The City of Miami and The South Wind - were all all coach 7 car trains with nominally the same mix of equipment.

Interesting question... Maybe there was some coordination between these railroads? Or maybe it was because it allow the whole train posing on a postcard? Smile, Wink & Grin

A mixed consist of the Dixie Flagler... maybe HW car provided better riding quality?

http://passengertrainjournal.com/prr-south-wind/

Welcome to Miami. Angel

 

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Posted by Jones1945 on Sunday, February 17, 2019 10:14 AM

Chicago to Louisville, KY (Union Station), Raymond Loewy's (simplified) streamlined K4s (the photo is mirrored on purpose) 

L&N Streamlined Pacific, Louisville, KY (Union Station) to Jacksonville, FL

Jacksonville, FL to Miami, FL

(Please correct me if I am wrong about the prime power of the South Wind in the 1940s)

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:44 PM

The South wind ran via L&N's own main line to Montgomery AL before turning east on the Atlantic Coast Line.  The route via Chattanooga and Atlanta was used by the Dixie Flagler (C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/ACL/FEC)

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Posted by Jones1945 on Monday, February 18, 2019 1:51 AM

Thank you for the info, rcdrye. I am gonna correct it by using the google map with all the stations name the South Wind of 1940 went through. :- )

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Posted by Jones1945 on Monday, February 18, 2019 4:12 AM

I think this one is more accurate:

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