Requiem for Steam .. The clock is ticking. Diesels take over

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Requiem for Steam .. The clock is ticking. Diesels take over
Posted by Miningman on Saturday, December 29, 2018 12:43 AM
The Engineering Journal, Sept. 1950 
APPLICATION of DIESEL ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVES by P. L. Mathewson, M.E.I.C.,Transportation Engineer, Canadian National Railways
“The railroads will continue to purchase diesel electric locomotives as long as there is economic justification for doing so, or until some improved form of motive power comes to the fore. Although it will be many years before the last steam locomotive is taken out of service, we are now witnessing the end of a century during which steam reigned supreme, and the beginning of a new era in railroad progress.”
 
 
 
 
 
 
The first link opened. Man is this difficult for me. I wish Communism and Diesels never happened because we are not fooled. Wishful thinking. Ever argue with a College student about Communism vs Free Markets and free society's .. Arguing for steam is the same... it's what people want in life, naturally.  The invaders take over..
      ... So here's some locomotive Marxism
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by Trinity River Bottoms Boomer on Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:39 PM

With the POTUS having shut down much of the government during this holiday season with many employees not going to receive their cheque to pay for food, water, the roof over their head, wheels, heels (clothes and shoes), bills, etc., just where do we stand today as a nation when compared to Communism, Socialism, Free Market Society, or perhaps, even a Dictatorship, afterall?

Check out the Wikipedia artical and be sure to read JFK's remark after he had read the novel shortly after it's publication!

Item: Even the USSR, and not that long ago, China, retired steam in favor of Mr. D's Machine as well as Tom Swift and his Electric Locomotive!

Joseph Toth Jr.

 

 

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, December 29, 2018 5:48 PM

Diesels and Communisim are not comparable.

Diesels reduced the railroads needs for manpower.  Communisim takes people an put them in 'make work' jobs - just to say they are employed.

         

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, December 29, 2018 6:32 PM

I full well expect no support on this. Go right ahead and embrace your look alike, soulless, all the same invaders. Howl at the moon, I'm not buying a minute of it. 

Steam was crafted individually, had personality. The public loved steam. Still do. 

"Application of Diesel Electric Locomotives" indeed aka "how to kill Mikados and Northerns". 

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:38 PM

BaltACD

Diesels and Communisim are not comparable.

Diesels reduced the railroads needs for manpower.  Communisim takes people an put them in 'make work' jobs - just to say they are employed.

 
In fact, steam and communism were more closely connected, in China and in East Germany for example. In the UK, steam continued to be built under a Socialist Government initially although continued by a Conservative Government.
 
The nominally private British railways were buying diesels up to 1948, but on Nationalisation, only steam was built, except for shunting locomotives.
 
Railroads could not have survived the 1960s except for diesels. The higher manpower costs alone would have seen most freight go to road, although coal might have continued on rail.
 
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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, December 29, 2018 8:47 PM

Yes yes I know all that. It's not about the actual politics .. it's about that damned manifesto ( P. L. Mathewson)  I posted. A pox on them all! 

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, December 29, 2018 9:51 PM
M636C states-- "Railroads could not have survived the 1960s except for diesels. The higher manpower costs alone would have seen most freight go to road, although coal might have continued on rail."
 
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I object your Honour..... conjecture!  
 
 
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Posted by NDG on Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:52 AM
 
OT???
 
 
Turcot West.
 
 
Extra 9401 West. Early photo. Original Single Horns, Flag Brackets below side windows
 
Problem with flag location here is that if one ' Blew Off ' by wind, the opposite flag could not be seen which could be misconstrued as ' Signals Nil ' by Rules. Could interfere with Hooping Up of Orders.
 
 
Extra 9000 East, same location, just to East. Flag Brackets on Roof Corners.
 
 
Canadian Car and Foundry West Plant above hoppers. Trolley Wire support MTCo Rte 91 Lachine to left.
 
Track curving right beyond switch stands connects to CPR Jacques Cartier Jct via Ballantyne, EJ Tower on Electric line and thru to Joliette.
 
 
Switch lined for CN 3821 ( RS10  244 )  to diverge for Jolliette.
 
CN 4190/4100 2-10-2 ran it's last this way with Refinery Transfers.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Eastbound Psgr  Steam just dead in Montreal, Streetcars going in two months, gone here.
 
 
 
Later. Looking West.
 
 
Turcot West. Great Place for trains ( and Streetcars ) at one time.
 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, December 31, 2018 7:57 AM

Posted on RyPN (perhaps as a kind of 'thank you' for Dude finding the two C-liner B-unit shells): this list of the Canadian railroad films:

https://www.nfb.ca/subjects/transportation/railways/?carouselen=feature_6&feature_type=subject&promobox_id=2605

Suspect some of us will have some happy watching in the New Year...

 

 

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Posted by cx500 on Monday, December 31, 2018 8:38 AM

M636C
In the UK, steam continued to be built under a Socialist Government initially although continued by a Conservative Government. The nominally private British railways were buying diesels up to 1948, but on Nationalisation, only steam was built, except for shunting locomotives.

I suspect that may have been due to sourcing of fuel.  Coal mining was a huge industry in Britain but diesels required oil, which in that era I believe had to be imported, needing foreign exchange.  In the aftermath of WW2 that was not so readily available.  A military victory, thanks to several allies, but a financial disaster.

When my grandparents came to Canada to visit us in 1961 (possibly an earlier visit) they were strictly limited in how much sterling they were allowed to bring from England.  A little moonlighting by my grandmother as organist in our parish church provided some very welcome additional cash.

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Posted by NDG on Monday, December 31, 2018 4:11 PM
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Posted by Miningman on Monday, December 31, 2018 5:07 PM

Thank you. Glad to know there are others. 

Have uncovered another Communist plot. They tell us we should only eat 7 French Fries!  Seven individual fries

Food Marxism. They hate freedom that's why. Steam and now my French Fries

 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, January 01, 2019 5:09 PM

Overmod

Posted on RyPN (perhaps as a kind of 'thank you' for Dude finding the two C-liner B-unit shells): this list of the Canadian railroad films:

https://www.nfb.ca/subjects/transportation/railways/?carouselen=feature_6&feature_type=subject&promobox_id=2605

Suspect some of us will have some happy watching in the New Year...

Now I want a Admiral's hat and epaulettes, that "Runaway" is hilarious!

I just hope those FM/CLC units are not being deliberately hidden, in which case I may have upset someone's plan by publicly revealing their location in a way that future Google searches will easily find.  

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, January 01, 2019 5:10 PM

Miningman

Thank you. Glad to know there are others. 

Have uncovered another Communist plot. They tell us we should only eat 7 French Fries!  Seven individual fries

Food Marxism. They hate freedom that's why. Steam and now my French Fries

You can only eat one fry per day due to food shortages, somehow the glorious collective farms have not managed to grow enough potatoes.

Greetings from Alberta

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Posted by NDG on Tuesday, January 01, 2019 9:07 PM
FYI.
 
Whistle,
 
Often there was a Ruling about sounding of Locomotive Whistles inside City Limits and this would be listed in the Employees Timetables.
 
A Sign would be placed to the right of the track entering those limits, as here, to advise.
 
 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, January 01, 2019 9:49 PM

NDG
FYI.
 
Whistle,
 
Often there was a Ruling about sounding of Locomotive Whistles inside City Limits and this would be listed in the Employees Timetables.
 
A Sign would be placed to the right of the track entering those limits, as here, to advise.
 

Thank You.

Anti-whistle zones are still in the timetable, but today the sign is just a regular whistlepost with a red circle with a line through it.

Think of a "no smoking" sign with a W instead of a cigarette.

Greetings from Alberta

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