Remembering the Third Avenue Elevated

[daveklepper]

Both versions  are valuable, and you did a fine photo-editing job on this.

[daveklepper]

Mild editing of a photo sent by Joe Frank, of the clock on Third Avenue south of 86th Street, with the uptown 89th Strteet Statiom in the backround.

[Joseph Frank]

Dave ----- the view is looking north due west along the uptown track side of the 3rd Ave El -- with an uptown 6 car MUDC Local which has just left the E. 84th St uptown station directly behind me -- headed to E. 89th St Station at right lower corner.  The lamp post next to the train is at the S/E corner of E. 85th Street on 3rd Ave. I knew most all the shops and stores seen in this photo and grew up at this area. Yes, that IS the now famed Yorkville clock -- in its original state - owned by Sterns Jewelers and Pawn Shop at right.  EVERYYTHING seen in that photo except that clock,  minus its 3 hanging top balls when it was restored,  is completely gone today.  As are most of the people around back then (EXCEPT me, and you, heh)  !  (Joe F)

 

[daveklepper]

Since the buildings on 3rd Avenue's west side are facing sunlight, I  believe this is a morning photo, and six cars on the train tell me it is bounf to Bronx Park or 241st Street fron City Hall, returning as a local from where it originatedc on its doentoen run as a non-rush-hour Local-Express, express only south of 125th Street.

Did you take the worthwhile original picture itself?

[Joseph Frank]

You are somewhat correct about the photo time of day --- buts its very late morning -- really actually near NOON -  as the rush hour only expresses also were ended by time of photo taken...which is obviously WELL INDICATED by the clock face time shown as nearly 20 minutes to NOON ! 

 

[daveklepper]

Glad that the clockface is readable.  In the afternoon, a similar train would be a Local Rxpress northboubd, and a local southbound.

[daveklepper]

 

Richard Allman's superb improvcement on my work

 

[daveklepper]

And further improved: (but Joe Frank should visit the Third Avenue Lightweight thread before commenting.)

[Joseph Frank]

Dave -

I never meant at all for you to post this photo here or on the Trolley thread. Nor to do ANY editing to it -- as I instructed you on a thread here a while ago re: photos I submit. 

It was sent by email to you TO ONLY show you the exact location of the actual Yorkville Clock. And to be compared with the present day (color photo) of the restored functioning Yorkville Clock I sent you. Allman did a nice job additng the extra BALL at top in above photo - but THAT was not the point or focus of the photo itself being email-sent by me to you!! Also, the 3 balls were EQUAL size -- the added top ball as added is shown larger than the 2 lower balls ! And not round like the two lower balls are!

This is a CROPPED PHOTO version I sent you of the much larger scene I have with not only to top ball fully in view and quite more sky above it --- but 3 balls on a hanging sign - at top of photo - from the side of Stern's building wall.  However, this cropped version still  is a good addition to the 3rd Ave El thread --- so its OK as is.

[daveklepper]

If you wish me to see the photo you are talking about, and I assume others may wish to see it, by all mans do post it here, since it is even more impotant to the Elevated's history than TARS-TATS history.

I have not seen it on the Forum.  Could my server again  be blocking messages  from you again?  Not in my inbox.

[daveklepper]

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[daveklepper]

Manhattan Elevated Forneys in Iowa! 

From Bill Wall, fellow Branford Elec. Ry. Assn. (shoreline trolley.org) member:

The two Forneys sold in 1930 to Bion J. Arnold to scrap the Elgin and Belvedere interurban line, which he did over a period of several years.  Take a look at the makeshift platforms that he added over the coal bunker on the two locomotives.   This was done to have a working space to remove the overhead wire on the line.

 

Think about it -  a Forney line car!

[daveklepper]

Henry Raudenbush sent this postcard for distribution. In addition to answering some Qquestions regarding pre-1936 arangement of the New York and Halem line, a car leaving The Bowery into South Fourth Avernue, and Third Avenue Railways, a car already ln The Bowery on its outer south-bound track entering the four trsck layour (see the Third Avenue Homemade Lightweight thread), the picture is interesting for showing the completion of the third-track construction, installed south of this point, but not yet connected through the Ninth Street "Hump" station upper (express) level: