Remembering the Third Avenue Elevated

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Remembering the Third Avenue Elevated
Posted by daveklepper on Monday, October 02, 2017 8:53 AM

Pictures around 1948.  Was 16 when I took these, with a Leica D

Just north and east of South Ferry.   Most prevelant rolling stock, open-platform equipment converted to closed platform with sliding outside doors and mu door control.

Coentis slip.  My picture compared with historic one from before electrification

Canal Street Junction phtographs, lower level to Citiy Hall, Park Row, upper to South Ferry.  Gate cars run south empty, north as Through Expresses to 241st Street, White Plains "Road."

Gate-car Express on the middle track around 70-77th streets:

At 99th Street and elevated shops:

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Posted by NorthWest on Monday, October 02, 2017 11:16 AM

Wow, these are amazing. Great work and thank you for sharing.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 02, 2017 1:04 PM

Fantastic Dave!  Is the Second Expanded Edition of Stelter's excellent book By the El:Third Aveune and it's El at Mid-Century available as a hardback? I can only find softcover editions on Amazon.  The best photograph in the book is the one where Lothar shot a young lady while adjusting her hair in the reflection of a window on one of the stations on the El!

A pity Ralph Kramden (Jackie Gleason) wasn't portrayed as an operator on the El instead of a bus driver for the fictional Gotham Bus Company in The Honeymooners!  

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Posted by BigJim on Monday, October 02, 2017 7:46 PM

What I find interesting are the sailing ships.

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, October 02, 2017 8:57 PM

Yes, the sailing ships... 1948. How much longer were these around? Seems a bit late in the game. 

So, forgive my ignorance but I take it ALL of the elevated is now gone? When did they start taking that all apart and when was the last of it. Just appx dates. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 12:50 AM

I do not want to write any text without the edit button, I must point out the sailing ships are in the HISTORIC photo prior to electrification.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:18 AM

After checking at www.newyorksubway.org , the Third Avenue El was abandoned south of 149th Street in 1955, the remainder between 149th Street and Gun Hill Road was abandoned in 1973.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by timz on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 12:13 PM

The remaining El below 149th St, you mean. Chatham Square to South Ferry closed in Dec 1950-- Chatham Sq to City Hall closed at the end of 1953.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:38 PM

timz
The remaining El below 149th St, you mean.

I believe he means 149th St. in the Bronx.  You can still clearly see where the columns which held up the interchange with the Lexington Avenue IRT were cut off when riding the expresses to and from the South Bronx.

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Posted by Miningman on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:44 PM

Ok thanks for the information as to dates ... also the sailing ships clarification... upon closer inspection and magnfying the image it is quite apparent it is much earlier than 1948... still nifty though. 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Wednesday, October 04, 2017 4:40 PM

I took a look of the photo with the square-riggers, and I think it's sometime in the 1890's, the elevated's not electrified and there's no motor vehicles to be seen on the street, and there were still quite a few sailing ships still in service.  David could probably give us the el's electrification timetable but I'm sure it was sometime before the First World War.

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:49 AM

 

Excerpt from The Tracks of New York https://archive.org/stream/tracksofnewyork03kahn#page/8/mode/1up After successfully testing multiple-unit electric operation on the Second Avenue el in 1900, the company electrified the entire system with 600-volt D.C. overrunning third rail. MU electric service was phased in from December 30, 1901 on the Second Avenue line to February 18, 1903 on the Ninth Avenue line.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:13 PM

Thanks Wanswheel!  I didn't think they wasted too much time electrifying the El's once the technology was proven.

Too bad a lot of neat little steam locomotives were lost in the process.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:26 PM

I know that some of the little steamers were scattered to shortlines.  I saw that one of them made it up to the isolated line out of Nome, Alaska.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:59 PM

MidlandMike

I know that some of the little steamers were scattered to shortlines.  I saw that one of them made it up to the isolated line out of Nome, Alaska.

 

It's been said that every piece of machinery that was sent to Alaska is still up there in one form or another.

Probably an exaggeration of course, but it makes me wonder...

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:44 PM
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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, October 07, 2017 10:15 PM

I'm amazed.  Now there's some subjects for a serious recovery effort.

Too bad there weren't more photos in the article.

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Posted by wanswheel on Monday, October 09, 2017 8:40 AM
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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 15, 2017 2:22 PM

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Posted by M636C on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 4:54 AM

daveklepper

Dave,

This historic photo would appear to be after electrification, although probably not long after electrification....

Peter

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:10 PM

Not after electrification.  The rear of the Forney can be seen if you look closely at the front of the train, and there is no third rail.  There are wooden runners that may look like third-rail cover boards, but the Manhattan elevateds had exposed third rail as seen in my photo.  (Hope there are no computer errors or typos in this,   Forgive me if there are!)

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, December 02, 2018 7:56 AM

When the southern portion of Brooklyn's Myrtle Avenue Elevated (The upper portion just completed its out-of-service for rebuilding and is used by the "M") was abandoned, the Q-series cars, rebuilt in 1938 from wood gate cars for BMT Flushing and Astoria serice on tracks shared with IRT cars, and transferred to Myrtle Avenue when BMT steels started running to Astoria with only IRT service to Flusing, migrated to the 3rd Ave. Elevated, replacing both the last gate cars and the composits, the original 1904 subway cars that ran with the  first steel cars, the IRT's "Gibbs cars."  When the 3rd Avenue Elevated shut down in 1957 below 149th Street, these cars provided the service in the remaining The Bronx portion, running 149th Street = Gun Hill Rpad.  Here are photos from the last use of these cars, a fan trip, as they were then replaced by steel "Steiways" and "Words Fair" cass replaced in Flushing service by R-12s,R14s, then R-33 and R36s, known eventually as "Red Birds"  I am not sure whether the first photo is at 149th Street or at 241st Street While Plains Road.  The Yard photograph is at 238th While Plains Avenue, the yard serving the 2 and 5.

  

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