Can we come up with a master list with details? This thread was sparked by the interesting discussion of the PRR D16s that were used on the ex-Baltimore and Eastern tracks on the Del-Mar-Va pinninsula on the commuter steam thread.
Canadian Pacific had several that worked light-rail branches in the Maritimes into the 1950's.
Chicago and Illinois Midland had three 4-4-0s (500-502) of which two (500, 502) were in service until their passenger trains were discontinued in 1953.
Anyone with more details on othe CP's?
Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain 4-4-0 no. 30 was built by Baldwin 11/1907, construction number 32305, for first-line passenger service between Huntingdon and Bedford, PA. In July, 1929, Brill gas-electric no. M-39 went into service, and no. 30 became the backup power. As a result of a 1941 wreck, M-39 was converted to coach 27, and no. 30 resumed her role as the H&BTM's primary pasenger locomotive. She continued in that role until her retirement in October, 1947. No. 30 was subsequently scrapped in October of 1949. At that point, Consolidations 37 and 38 became the replacement passenger motive power, with 37 being the most photographed of the two.
Maryland & Pennsylvania 4-4-0 no. 6 (Richmond, 1901, construction number 3289) continued in regular service after WWII, and handled the September 14, 1947 train that Lucius Beebe and Charles Clegg chartered to celebrate the publication of MIXED TRAIN DAILY.
I believe one or two 4-4-0's were used on shortlines in Indiana in the late 1940's.
Tom
daveklepper Anyone with more details on othe CP's?
Some details. #29, #136, #144. Built by 3 different makers who all became part of ALCO. Ran on line from Norton to Chipman, NB up until about '58 or '59. #29 was trotted out for a ceremonial "last steam" run on CP in '60 in conjunction with the company's 75th anniversary of the completion of the trans-continental line.
#136 works for a tourist/museum operation on Ontario and periodically shows up in TV shows shot in Ontario, often with different road names on the tender but always the same number.
#29 was in an engine house in NB which was burned by vandals. It is now stuffed and mounted in front of CP's head office on 9th Ave @ 3rd ST SW in Calgary.
I'm not sure about #144.
The engines were kept because of extremely low bridge loading capacities on the line. The line had regular customers, but not enough to justify replacing the bridges.
I read somewhere once that the reason CP kept those engines in service as long as they did before replacing them with tiny diesels was that the eingine house foreman was in fact a 1:1 scale railroad hobbyist and he put a considerable amount of time and his own money into keeping those engines running.
Bruce
So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.
"A Train is a Place Going Somewhere" CP Rail Public Timetable
"O. S. Irricana"
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I think that third CP engine was #144 and I'm sure she's preserved up there somewhere.
We've already discussed PRR having three D16sb's in service on the Eastern Shore until about 1951. Ma&Pa #6 was retired in 11/51 and she was scrapped the next year. Their #4 was retired in 1947. The East Washington Railroad, remnant of the Chesapeake Beach Railway, retired its two 4-4-0s in late 1946-early 47. The Union Transportation Co. in south Jersey retired its 4-4-0 #7 in November of 1945, relying on leased PRR steam power until July 1959! In Indiana, the Corydon rostered two small Porter 4-4-0s until they dieselized in the early 50s (53?), selling one of them to the nearby Ferdinand to replace their worn out 4-4-0. In Iowa, the Manchester and Onieda rostered two ancient 4-4-0s (1882 and 1886) built by Rhode Island, until abandonment in 1951. Up in New England, the B&M kept a few in commuter service until at least 1947 and I've seen photos of in service D&H rear cab 4-4-0s in passenger service as late as 1948. I think the Lackawanna may have had modernized, large rear cab 4-4-0s pretty late in the game as well. And Valleyline informed me that New Haven ran at least one into 1949.
I'm sure there are more.
rfpjohn I think that third CP engine was #144 and I'm sure she's preserved up there somewhere.
Thanks, you are correct. I can see pictures of it in a museum on flickr, but I can't seem to find which museum. I will edit my earlier post.
Thought of a few more. M-K-T used some rebuilt lightweight 4-4-0s on their "dirt track" lines in western Oklahoma (maybe Texas), Frisco kept a few thoroughly rebuilt examples in service post war. "Don's Depot" web sight has pictures of three Milwaukee Road 4-4-0s which served as late as 1951 and I've seen photos of an SP 4-4-0 in service in 1950. I think I remember a Trains Mag article about the Cadiz in Kentucky which rostered a couple of 4-4-0s at least until they acquired a used ex East Tennesee & Western North Carolina, ex ex RF&P 0-6-0 to finish out steam.
I seem to recall a Northern Pacific 4-4-0 that was obtained by a shortline and used for several years before being repurchased by N.P. and preserved. I may not have that story quite right. Can anybody clarify it?
rcdrye Chicago and Illinois Midland had three 4-4-0s (500-502) of which two (500, 502) were in service until their passenger trains were discontinued in 1953.
I believe the C&IM engines were the last Atlantics to run in reguar service on a US Class I road. They were the most modern and, in my opinion, attractive 4-4-0's ever to run in the US.
Mark
rcdye: You're probably right about the C&IM americans being the last class one 4-4-0s in service. The Southern Pacific had two modern (1922) Baldwin 4-4-0s on the Texas & New Orleans, one which survived to run at Georgia Stone Mountain and has now moved somewhere else for restoration, I believe. Looking at photos of this engine compaired to the C&IM engines reveals some remarkable similarities. Perhaps they were Baldwin stock catalogue locomotives, offered with minor variations to suit customer needs. The Cornwall & Lebenon in Pennsylvania had one built in 1924 which was sold to the Tuckerton in New Jersey for a very short career.
The N.P. 4-4-0 referenced by me was N.P. 684, built by New York Loco Works in 1883. She was retired by N.P. in 1928 and sent to Livingston, MT for scrapping; but she was bought by the Nez Perce & Idaho for service as NP&I no. 4. I haven't been able to learn whether she was used in the post WWII years, but she was derelict at Nezperce, ID in 1950. In 1951 she was returned to N.P. and reconditioned for display. She is reportedly now on display in West Fargo, ND.
The foregoing is mostly from THE CAMAS PRAIRIE, Idaho's Railroad on Stilts, Hal Riegger, Pacific Fast Mail (publisher), 1986.
Paul Pietrak published a book on the New York & Pennsylvania RR and the Coudersport & Port Allegheny. In it, he says C&PA 4-4-0 no. 6 (Baldwin, 1911) remained in service until 1946, but he is not specific as to the loco's service after the war. A photo shows the engine being cut up in Coudersport in 1950.
Stockton Terminal and Eastern ran an ancient 1860 something 4-4-0 until about 1953. I think she was built by Norris for the CP. When retired, I believe she was donated to Travel Town in Los Angeles.
AgentKid #29, #136, #144. Built by 3 different makers who all became part of ALCO. Ran on line from Norton to Chipman, NB up until about '58 or '59.
#29, #136, #144. Built by 3 different makers who all became part of ALCO. Ran on line from Norton to Chipman, NB up until about '58 or '59.
Some more information from Kalmbach's; "In Search of Steam - Volume I" by David P. Morgan.
#29 - Class A1e. Built by the CPR in 1887.
#144 - Class A2q. Built by the CPR in 1886.
#136 - Class A2m. Built by Rogers in 1883 - rebuilt by CPR in 1912.
#136 only carried the rebuilt Builders Plate of 1912, so I'm not sure if that makes it a "modern" 4-4-0 like the others mentioned above. The article states though that it is the oldest steam locomotive in revenue service in Canada.
#136 weighed 115,000 lbs. and on the Chipman-Norton line had an "A" rating of 220 tons. Three modern coal gons, and that would have been all she wrote!
I had thought that one of the CPR built engines had been built by Brooks.
All three of CPR's 4-4-0s were extensively modernised in the early 1900s, with new boilers and valve gear, and no doubt various other appliances. #144 is preserved at ExpoRail near Montreal.
A 4th ex-CPR 4-4-0 was also active. It was built by Dubs in 1882 and also had been modernised in the same era by CP, except I believe it retained slide valves. It was later sold to the City of Winnipeg Hydro (ca1918?) who had a railway of their own. It is back in service hauling tourists on the Prairie Dog Central, near Winnipeg.
Found another one: Former Woodstock Ry #3 was operated by Stratton & Company in Pennacook, NH until 1951.
Can you find out what became of it?
Unfortunately it was scrapped, as was the beautiful american it replaced in 1934, Rhode Island built, Woodstock #1 A.G. Dewey, from 1872!
Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum has a 4-4-0 from the Central of Georgia in it's collection. Does anyone know it's work history? Handsome little engine in the website pictures.
Found two more! Fonda, Johnstown & Gloversville up in New York rostered two Americans until at least 1950. #8 & 9 were stored in their enginehouse at least long enough to be present during a diesel powered fan trip that year. When they last steamed is unknown to me, but there are pictures in a Trains Classic from a few years ago. On line, #8 is pictured with two coaches and a caboose on a fan trip in 1946. #9 was used on an excursion in 1949. Such a pity they weren't saved.
Dave:
That was a 4-6-0 which is now in the B&O Museum in Baltimore.
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