Canadian Pacific G3d 4-6-2 tender loco

[Anonymous]

Hi, I'm trying to find photos or a scale drawing of this loco class to help my latest project which is to scale detail a Triang Transcontinental pacific (sold also as the "Hiawatha"). I'm hoping that the model will prove close enough to make the detailing worthwhile, from the rather poor photo I already have it looks promising. Any thoughts or comments?
Canadoug[?]

[M636C]

canadoug,

The Triang model is very close to the prototype for a time period around 1927. I have seen a photo of the CPR Pacific at the "Fair of the Iron Horse" in Baltimore in that year, and I think that may have been the photo used to detail the Triang model. I think the Triang dimensions are fairly correct for HO.

Your best source of data is Omer Lavallee's book on CPR Steam Locomotives, published about 1985 by "Railfare", a Canadian Publisher. There was a companion volume that included a reproduction of all the CPR locomotive diagrams from about 1950, which should give you basic dimensions to work from.

The Triang model depicts the locomotive before 1936, and the introduction about that time of the maroon panels on the tender, and, more importantly, before the maroon number panels were placed on the running boards covering the air compressors (under the distinctive "hump" in the running board).

The Triang lettering, with large numbers on the tender and smaller ones under the cab window are correct for the 1920s.

The first thing to change would be the headlight! In the earliest Triang production there was a clear plastic "Headlight" inserted in the smokebox door, but this was later replaced by an even less realistic metal rivet.

The early Pacifics had conventional US style headlights, but the later locomotives built after WWII "G3h", "G3j" had flush headlights recessed into the smokebox door (which may have inspired the "rivet" treatment). The later locomotives had different running board skirting and had domeless (but not Sand domeless!) boilers.

If you can get good photographs, you could make a nice model. There was an article in the English "Continental Modeller' magazine some ten years ago. I think he used a Mehano Pacific chassis under the Triang body.

Peter

[gear freak]

i was born in london in 1954, was very interested in trains from a very early age, so much so that for christmas in 1958 when i was only 2  years, 8 months old my father bought me a triang electric train. i took such good care care of my toys that i did not need something as large as lionel or american flyer, i always liked the later because of its two rail track & scale appearance. i usually added to my  triang collection at harrods in london. one of the entrances to harrods had an atrium & around its circumference half way up were several loops of concentric triang track. though this was a department store they were well stocked with triang. i bought my fifth locomotive there the tc pacific, this was my favorite locomotive. understand that triang is a toy & as a result the detailing is rather spartan. i you want to super detail it. that is your decision. when i got rid of all my triang stuff i kept my 2-6-2t  first locomotive because it still runs but the flanges hit the ties code 100 track, triang standard track was like code 140. i do not know enough about steam locomotives to detail it & i do not think i could turn down the flanges enough to get to run on a u.s. layout. the reason i sold all my triang was that their deviantions from scale were so far that as an adult i could no longer acept them. all the two truck freight cars were on archbar trucks. you can see the difference if you compare a american train & track budd rdc next to the arthearn model. i went to z scale because of space limitations. i am going to visit an ho model railroad club tonight because i have ordered a austraiian ad60 class garratt & i need some place to run it.          gear freak (that refers to a tapole recumnbent tricycle) boston, ma

[M636C]

Wow...

How did you find this thread?

There I am six years ago...   I wonder if the Triang locomotive got converted?

I think "Peco" code 100 track has smaller rail fixing lugs and will allow the old Triang locomotives to run while not looking worse than any other code 100 track. You could run the AD60 on that too...

I grew up in Sydney, Australia and I can remember the photo of the first AD60 Garratt (6002) on trial on the cover of the morning paper. That would have been 1952.... I had a cab ride in one in 1963 on a coal train.

The Athearn RDC was shortened by ten feet to allow operation on small radius curves anyway. The recent Proto1000 is the most accurate HO model. The Triang (ATT) model was even shorter and too high. Triang's British models were to OO scale (1:76) rather than HO (1:87) and they made some models to roughly HO of US, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand that were overheight, usually due to oversize wheels and trucks.

But Triang was no worse than Lionel or American Flyer at the time. Athearn models were closer to scale but still had over width hoods to fit the motors of the time.

Peter

 

[gear freak]

i know the athearn rdc was under scale length. the most common size for a model railroad in the u.s. is 8' x 4'. the ad60 garratt is a big locomotive & think it would look good pulling a 30 car train or more& the only layout large enough to accomodate that is a club. on a 8' x  4' 10 40' is about  the limit. i have now retired & should have time to work on my z scale layout. the bench work for the layout was  constructed several years ago. i have 2 F-7 diesel electrics & 1 2-6-0 mogul. i intend to buy some more locos, i have 26 40' box cars, 1 bulkhead flat car,1 tank car & 1 gondola. there a only two freight cars i still want. mtl makes them in N scale, i don't know about Z, they are the attractive state of main  livery, this livery is on page 12 of jan. 2011 issue of model railroader magazine. and  this is enough to equip 3 three trains. i do not intend to keep on buying  cars until all will not fit on the layout, one of the advantages of doing this as an adult. there are no hobby shops in boston anymore, at least onrs that carry Z. i have enough fiex track,  turnouts (points), subroadbed for the main line portion  of the lavout. the main terminal/ staging will be done later & at a right angle to the rest of the layout. the ad60 garratt is built to nmra standards. i still have some HO scale equipment,  2 steam locos i bought at a garage sale, getting them home was a challenge, i was on a bicycle. you said you live in australia? i drove out to wisconson in aug. 2009 to pick a greenspeed recumbent tadpole trike. there about 25 photos of me on the internet. 1 is at jacek rudowski & osman isvan & another i s at 2009 hub on wheels, i am in the last picture in the photo album ( should have shaved).

[gear freak]

peter  i found your post when i was idly surfing the web and googled triang transcontinental pacific. since that was 4 years ago i wonder if you have done that modification.