Texas Zephyr car numbering scheme

[newsmac]

How did C&S or Ft.W&D number the cars on the Texas Zephyr in the 1960's?

Not the roster numbers painted on the car's sides but the numbers that might change from trip to trip. Example, I remember cars 4911 and 4912 were two of the coaches on the later-day Broadway Limited.

 

Thanks, Newsmac

[Deggesty]

newsmac

How did C&S or Ft.W&D number the cars on the Texas Zephyr in the 1960's?

Not the roster numbers painted on the car's sides but the numbers that might change from trip to trip. Example, I remember cars 4911 and 4912 were two of the coaches on the later-day Broadway Limited.

 

Thanks, Newsmac

The November, 1959-April, 1960, timetable shows two cars (it does not show the exact accomodations in either car, but lists Sections, Roomettes, Duplex Single Rooms, Bedrooms singly or en suite, Compartments and Drawing Rooms) that are numbered 21 and 23 both s.b. and n.b. I think that there was really ony one Compartment and one Drawing Room.

The November, 1961-January, 1962, issue shows one car (4 Roomette, 4 Duplex Single Room, 4 Double Bedroom, 1 Compartment, 1 Drawing Room), that is numbered 21 in both directions.

The May-October, 1962 issue adds a 12 Section car (summer season only) that is numbered 23 in both directions, and an Observation Parlor-Lounge (also summer season) that is numbered 20 in both directions.

The May-October, 1964, and the May-October, 1966, have only Car 21. This, apparently, continued to the end of the operation of the TZ.

For the information of those who do not know how the Burlington moved cars around, some of the cars of the original Denver Zephyr were moved to the Texas Zephyr when the DZ was given new equipment in the late fifties.

Johnny

[newsmac]

Johnny:

Thank you very much for the information. Most helpful. Did you ever ride the Texas Zephyr. I had the pleasure as a boy on summer vacations.

Might you have any photos of the train, especially interiors? Either the 1940 version or the repurposed Denver Zephyr. Thanks again.

Sincerely

Newsmac

[passengerfan]

The 1936 versions of the Denver Zephyrs were transferred to the C&S in 1956 as built with the two additional cars in each consist. The dining car in each consist was part of a articulated trio consisting of two coaches one seating 64 the other seating 38 and the ding car seating 40. The only other coach in these Texas Zephyrs were the cars added in 1938 they were non-articulated coaches with a seating capacity of 64 and dinette area for 16. These cars were not compatible with other passenger cars due to the head end power beeds of the cars being provided by the first car in each consist an auxiliary power RPO bagggae car. For sleeping car passengers the 1956 Texas Zephyrs [rpvode first an articulayed pair each containing 12 sections. Next was another articulated pair the first contained 12 sections and the second provided 3 Compartments, 1 Drawing Room, and 6 double bedrooms. The additional sleeper to each consist in 1938 contained 4 Roomettes, 4 Chambrettes, 1 Drawing Room, 1 Compartment and 4 Double Bedrooms. So in off peak travel times they could juggle cars in and out of the consists quite easily. And as passenger travel declined they simply removed certain cars. And remember the original Texas Zephyr equipment was operated as trains 9-10 between Denver and Dallas giving the C&S - FW&D two trains daily.   

[Deggesty]

newsmac

Johnny:

Thank you very much for the information. Most helpful. Did you ever ride the Texas Zephyr. I had the pleasure as a boy on summer vacations.

Might you have any photos of the train, especially interiors? Either the 1940 version or the repurposed Denver Zephyr. Thanks again.

Sincerely

Newsmac

Newsmac, I'm glad that I could help you in your request. I hope that Passenger Fan helped you also. He has quite a bit of information on equipment.

I never had the opportunity to really go anywhere West until the middle of April in 1971, so I missed many wonderful trains. I did get to KC, Fort Worth, back to KC via New Orleans, Minneapolis, and then back to the South in 1968, but that did not, in my estimation, count as a trip out West.

I consider Wanswheel to be the picture guru on these forums. Perhaps he will look (if he is not already looking) through his enormous listing and can find pictures that will delight you. My wife also likes pictures of interiors. Another contributor to these forums is Texas Zepher; he may be able to help you, also.

Incidentally, are you familiar with Robert Heinlein and his science fiction? A few years ago, I found--in the science fiction section of a local library (I asked that it be reclassified to the travel section)--his account of a trip around the world that he and his wife took many years ago. They started from Denver, and went down to Dallas in comfort and luxury on the Texas Zephyr.

Johnny 

 

[wanswheel]

Johnny volunteered me so here's links to pics. -- Mike

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cbq9952.jpg

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cbq9954.jpg

http://texashistory.unt.edu/permalink/meta-pth-34615:1

http://texashistory.unt.edu/permalink/meta-pth-28768:1

http://texashistory.unt.edu/permalink/meta-pth-28677:1

http://texashistory.unt.edu/permalink/meta-pth-28798:1

http://texashistory.unt.edu/permalink/meta-pth-34875:1

http://texashistory.unt.edu/permalink/meta-pth-28767:1

http://photoswest.org/photos/00007126/00007203.jpg

http://photoswest.org/photos/00011626/00011738.jpg

http://photoswest.org/photos/11010876/11010974.jpg

http://photoswest.org/photos/00006751/00006865.jpg

http://photoswest.org/photos/00073126/00073221.jpg

http://photoswest.org/photos/00007126/00007145.jpg Advance TZ

http://photoswest.org/photos/00007126/00007202.jpg Advance TZ

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=54418

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1292265

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=800962

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=801099

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=54417

[Deggesty]

Johnny volunteered me.... -- Mike

Thanks for posting the pictures for us, Mike. I was confident you could send us all some such. I forwarded the whole thing to my wife so she could enjoy the two interior views.

Johnny

[newsmac]

Johnny and Mike:

 

Thank you so much. You guys know your stuff.

Newsmac