<MoPac #4502 at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
Reminder: "Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYs
<but go ahead ‘n slip your messages thru the mail slots on the doors!>
G'day Gents!
We're CLOSED on this day that was meant for REST! But, for the Proprietor - well, it's that day where catching up takes place. And making prep for Monday's opening!
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Comments from the Proprietor
REMINDER: Our "off-line net" has been activated. Gentlemen - check your in-baskets!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Saturday - August 2nd <all times Central daylite>:
Page 2 - Pete <pwolfe> at 12:04 PM ‘n 1:56 PM: "In" with a fine < I3 > Post - doing your part to make things as "back to normal" as possible! Hat's off to our Bar Chandler, Wolfman Pete! [yeah
Methinks we'd have a great time going 1st class aboard EuroStar to Paris! With your "command" of both languages, how could we miss I mean, errrrrrrrr, ahhhhhhhhhh - oh fuhgedaboudit! <grin>
Somewhere back in time, I know that we discussed the old RI Line between St. Louis ‘n KCity . . . I was provided with a "tour" of that right-of-way by an organization that was very close to purchasing all of it. They owned but a portion back then . . . only serviceable trackage <still to this day> is between StL ‘n Union, MO - not far from where I live. After that, all kinds of disruptions - trees growing up in the roadbed - missing rails ‘n decaying bridges, etc. My group wanted to use the eastern portion of the right-of-way for our commuter/light rail initiative.
I can't help you at all regarding the assignment of particular locos to certain repair facilities. Haven't a clue, Mate - sorry.
Amazing how those "horoscopes" can sometimes be "right on" ‘n other times way off. Runs fast! Yeah, right . . . The other . . . hmmmmmm. <grin>
The noontime ROUND meant a lot, as did your visit!
Back "in" with a fine spate of fotos for the crew - nicely done, as always! Just luv those Pacifics!
You know the say, "Can't tell a book by its cover," so you're guess is as good as mine regarding what that passenger car of the L&N was used for. Looks like a coach, but I'll bet that Shane will know!
ANOTHER ROUND! But LATE on Monday . . . . not acceptable! Lars was correct - Get up EARLY! <geesh>
Page 2 - Lars <LoveDomes> at 3:53 PM: Two days in succession from a guy who didn't think he'd ever come back! See, one just nevAH knows what's around that corner, eh Great having you aboard, Mate! But just WATCH that sweet talk ‘round Cindy!! She's mine, mine, mine! <grrrrrrrrr>
Nice of you to "constrain" yourself - most unusual! <grin> Anyway, we should be able to converse with one another on a myriad of topics without being interrupted, dontchathink After all, you weren't over the top or breaking any of the "rules" as I saw it. Oh well . . . watchagonnado
"Jumped' all over the Wolfman about that dentist "thing," I see! <grin> Last time he did this to us - he missed the ENTIRE day! You'd think his dentist was located half way ‘round the globe. Hmmmmmm, perhaps it IS! Rugby Dental Works ‘n Bat Guano Removal! Yeah, that's the place . . . <uh oh>
Don't wanna talk baseball - yeah, I know YOUR Mets are doing just fine. But what a lousy division <tee hee> - the NL Central is the toughest, ‘n so far, the Cards at least are close to a Wild Card berth. Amazing how the Cubs haven't folded the tent <yet>.
Another fine bunch of covAHs from your Larsman Mobile. Amazing how you keep coming up with these things! As with so many, it's just enjoyable to see view those fotos . . . nice idea that fits well within what we've always tried to achieve at this place of OURS! Luv that Broadway Limited - have that book in my modest hard cover library <liberry>!
Always enjoy your company ‘n ROUND! We'll keep that stool of yours "at the ready" for your next visit! Oh yes, thanx for the Email - copy sent to Shane!
Page 2 - Alan <Great Western> at 4:38 PM <10:38 PM GMT>: Ahhhhhhh, I see our new Brit friend has made it back for his complimentary drink ‘n OH-FISH-UL welcome!
Some fine offerings along the line of what you seem to appreciate discussing. No doubt your fellow countrymen will respond in kind. For the remainder of us, we read - we digest ‘n we learn! Thanx . . .
Page 2 - Allan <Gunneral> at 8:34 PM <3:34 PM Sunday NZ time>: Glad to see that you were able to overcome that log-in issue. Noted that Rob had similar problems . . . Anyway, having you back with friends is what counts, eh
Emails received ‘n responded to - thanx!
Up until the 11 of September, there seemed to be a downward spiral of interest in the large veterans organizations <American Legion ‘n Veterans of Foreign Wars>. Since then, I believe the memberships have grown. So at least - for the time being - there will be places to go where military people can exchange experiences over a "glass" or three. Don't take that info "to the bank," for it's pretty much anecdotal. I "belong" but shy away from being active in the sense that I go to meetings. Never did enjoy that kinda thing. Guess I got turned off many, many years ago when I heard a guy spouting off <a sea story> about a situation that involved ME! Yeah, he told the story, but embellished so much, that I nearly interrupted him - but didn't. The guy wasn't there - didn't know I was the "focal point" of the story ‘n had so many of the facts wrong . . . and the thing is - he BELIEVED it all was true. Told that <censored> story so many times that if put to music, we cudda danced to it. Figured there were far too many "stories" like that, ‘n I'd prefer to live for TODAY rather than back then . . .
Hey! Who doesn't know of Lonnie Donnegan in these parts That was a huge hit over here ‘n what made it so "cool," is that it was done by a Brit who actually "sang American"!
Click the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olf7Ibtg1lM&feature=related
Only "problem" is that the video doesn't match up - should be the RI rather than Brit . . . but a good song!
Saw you "left" a bunch of "space" at the end of your Post - was that for "doodling"
Many thanx for your < I3 > effort ‘n ROUND!
Page 2 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:14 PM: Didn't expect ya, but very happy that you made it "in." Sorry ‘bout that <censored> logging in "thing" . . . never know ‘round here, eh
I know what you mean about dinner trains . . . hardly the "real thing." But, every now ‘n then we've had a fine night out aboard one. I wouldn't - ever - pay the "through the nose" prices found on some of those <gimmicky things> but when you find ‘em reasonably priced ‘n in locations where perhaps you've never been - why not As I said, every now ‘n then . . .
Hmmmmmmmm, that was Cindy behind the bar on Saturday! Hittin' the hard stuff, eh
Spoke with Fergie this morning - he tried to "make excuses" for his bride - I wouldn't let her off the hook. I think he "won" - but most probably "lost" as well, IF you follow my drift! <yikes>
As always, a fine < I3 > Post to go along with that ROUND! [bow
Sunday, August 3rd:
Page 2 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:52 AM <11:52 PM Saturday, Sandbox time>: Yes, 14,100 ft is a "stat" etched in my long-term memory since my visit to Pikes Peak back in 1953 . . . we found snow up there in July! Hmmmmmmm, yeah I know - global warming.
Not to take this as criticism, but are you saying you'll never travel anywhere together because of the animals That surely sounds like a no-win deal. Gotta be an alternative, Mate. Perhaps we can get Pete to "baby sit" the critters . . . I'm sure his "soothing" words would put them at ease - or . . . . Anyway, just something to think about . . .
Many, many thanx for the continuing input via Email . . . we're getting CLOSE ‘n your help is absolutely "on the mark."
A fine bunch of diverse fotos - all well done, all captivate the interest! Luv those steam locos from Sweden - along with that set of DMUs . . . so that's YOU, eh Who's the gal on the bicycle The mother of the youngster or perhaps an older sister Still have her fone number Brunette at that! Hmmmmmmm. <grin>
I think the caption for the DMU foto might be, "No, no - it's supposed to be ‘8042' not ‘3042' ‘n we're not moving until it gets changed!"
Oxygen masks only come down from the ceiling of the Second Class Saloon on nights when they serve German wursts . . . <uh oh>
Appreciate the good cheer ‘n < I3 > Post!
Tom
<Wabash #573 at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
"Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYs
Starting TODAY at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . August 3rd thru 9th: Streets of Larado <1995> Starring: James Garner, Sissy Spacek, Sam Shepard, Ned Beatty & Randy Quaid - and - ENCORE Presentation of The Harvey Girls <1946> Starring: Judy Garland, John Hodiak, Ray Bolger, Angela Lansbury & Preston Foster. SHORT - The Three Stooges: I'm A Monkey's Uncle <1948>.
<Note: The Harvey Girls first shown Sunday April 9th thru 15th, 2006>
Streets of Larado <1995>
PLOT SUMMARY: In this sequel to Larry McMurtry's LONESOME DOVE, ornery Texas Ranger Captain Call takes on one last mission, tracking down a killer as a freelance bounty hunter. With Pea Eye Parker tagging along, he crosses paths with such Western luminaries as Judge Roy Bean and John Wesley Hardin. Joseph Sargent (THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE, MISS EVERS' BOYS) directed this worthy follow-up, with a terrific cast that includes James Garner, Ned Beatty, Randy Quaid, Sam Shepard, Sissy Spacek, Sonia Braga, and even George Carlin.
In this sequel to Larry McMurtry's LONESOME DOVE, ornery Texas Ranger Captain Call takes on one last mission, tracking down a killer as a freelance bounty hunter. With Pea Eye Parker tagging along, he crosses paths with such Western luminaries as Judge Roy Bean and John Wesley Hardin. Joseph Sargent (THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE, MISS EVERS' BOYS) directed this worthy follow-up, with a terrific cast that includes James Garner, Ned Beatty, Randy Quaid, Sam Shepard, Sissy Spacek, Sonia Braga, and even George Carlin.
<from: rottentomatoes.com>
The Harvey Girls <1946>
PLOT SUMMARY: A frothy musical about the romantic misadventures of the Harvey girls, waitresses employed by the Old West Harvey Restaurant chain. Their ladylike behavior had a civilizing effect on their wild frontier patrons. Despite the rather thin story, the great cast and fun music make this worth a watch. Note: train scenes in this movie . . .
A frothy musical about the romantic misadventures of the Harvey girls, waitresses employed by the Old West Harvey Restaurant chain. Their ladylike behavior had a civilizing effect on their wild frontier patrons. Despite the rather thin story, the great cast and fun music make this worth a watch.
SHORT: I'm A Monkey's Uncle <1948>
PLOT SUMMARY: The Stooges are stone-age cavemen, trying to cope with primitive life. They have to fight for their women Aggie, Maggie and Baggie, when some rival cavemen try to steal them back from the Stooges.
The Stooges are stone-age cavemen, trying to cope with primitive life. They have to fight for their women Aggie, Maggie and Baggie, when some rival cavemen try to steal them back from the Stooges.
<from: threestooges.net>
Enjoy the weekend!
<SP #4460 at MoT, Kirkwood, Missouri - Personal foto>
Here's another "labor of love" for our <GoR> that might brighten up the joint come Monday's opening time . . . 6 AM <all time zones - don't ask how we do that!>
Named Passenger Trains
from the Classic Era - Number Two
Southern Pacific Railroad (SP)
Caveat: This list is for the enjoyment of those frequenting "Our" Place. It is not intended to be all inclusive but rather a compilation reflective of perhaps the more noted trains of the day. Keep in mind that each of these trains did not operate in the same year(s) as the others. The intent of this compilation is to generate civil discussion of those passenger trains now relegated to the Classic era!
The Southern Pacific operated dozens of named passenger trains over the course of its existence. They included:
Enjoy!
Good evening. I see that the Bossman's had the place to himself and has gotten it all ship shape.Figured I would do my paperwork and make sure that,Pete hasn't tried to shred his bartab again on spike's back.Always got to watch that guy <sheesh>
Eric-For the record anything above 100 degrees, humid or not is too hot Loved the pictrues however. I noted that the first steamer still had a huge snowplow attached on what appeared to be a summer day I think that girl on the bike was checking out your butt in the EMU shot.
Pikes Peak is a nice place to visit. The home my sister and family just left in Colorado Springs had a wonderfull view of Pike's Peak right from their kitchen window. The cog railway is a neat ride as well.
Tom-Couple fine flicks ( on what might be the last playbill here )Nice SP steamer in your post this afternoon Equally good read on the SP as well. I think we've all had too much "hard" stuff lately Just a ton of name trains on the SP,oh well always good to read about the golden age of passenger trains.
I hear you about the dinner trains, as long as they are not chargeing five star hotel and restaurant prices for microwaved fair and the same old urban scenery it should be a good run,and if it's a run and trackage you've never seen or been on,so much the better.
Lets see a couple photo's for fun.
Detroit Street Railway Peter Witt
A shot of the Ottawa Street Railway passing just outside of the Chateau Laurier hotel
radial car 620 on geneva Street in St Catharines.1958
NS&T line car 30 in the Welland Ave yard in St Catharines
enjoy
Rob
A smile to begin the week!
Speaking to the press before the 1973 playoffs about Cincinnati's "Big Red Machine," Yogi said, "Tony Perez is a big clog in their machine."
<A Yogi-ism!>
It's THAT day once more - the beginning of a new work week <for many>. Around here, we strive to put a happy face on it by serving the finest in bakery goods, breakfasts ‘n fresh coffee! Are you ready
Today is the 218th birthday of the U.S. Coast Guard, which was founded in 1790 as the Revenue Cutter Service, an arm of the Treasury Department . . . the ONLY armed maritime service the country had between 1790 'n 1798! 32 years of that history includes Moi!
REMINDER: For the <GoR> plus one, check your Email at least daily - decision time is approaching!
Sunday - August 3rd <all times Central daylite>:
Page 3 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 8:16 PM: Nice spate o' fotos - something in ‘em for everyone including some vintage automobiles! Always can count on our trolleyMAN for some fine looking traction! Most interesting piece is that line car - don't recall seeing one of those before!
Appreciate the help ‘round here on Sunday . . .
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Nice day here today although we had a 4.5 hr-long thunderstorm on Saturday a.m.
Happy Birthday, USCG!
Alan - welcome in.
Allan - Good to hear from you. At least there is another N scaler out there.
Nick was by with pictures and comments.
Pete was in with some pictures and information. Scotsman looks way different with smoke lifters. I enjoyed the pictures you sent, particularly the one where the locomotive is getting "cleaned." The L&N car you mentioned is a hw coach. See my comment to Eric below. Locomotives usually roam today although they do have to receive periodic inspections. Incidentally, PRR steam locomotives had locations stenciled on their pilot beams as well. This practice resurfaced in the days of PC when "bases" were on cab sides. It seemed really strange to see power stenciled for St. Louis, Avon, Harrisburg, etc. at Beacon Park. I was by Beacon Park when visiting the home folks last month and it was full of large CSX-painted GE power; not an EMD unit in sight.
Rob - I feel your pain. As one of my colleagues says, "Computers are great when they work."
What ho, is that Lars? OMG - it is! Yes, I do have the time and the age - but I am so not ready to hang it up yet! Some fine books from the bookmobile. MP in Nebraska one looks especially interesting. Nice C&O one as well with the picture of the F units along the Ohio River with a coal train - that is truly a speedway between Huntington and Cincinnati.
Fergie has visited as well. An SP locomotive? Why not - it's your railroad.
Eric - Enjoyed your comments and pictures. I know, 113 degrees of dry heat! That'll still put you down if you're not careful. I spent 4 years in the heart of L&N country, so if you have questions, ask away and I'll do my best to answer them for you. The Old Reliable was a most interesting property - they swallowed up one of my all-time favorite roads, the NC&StL, early in the merger game. BTW, that is a fine looking 4-6-0 you sent along.
OSP - Have responded to e-mails - I apologize for the schedule this week, but it is what it is and totally beyond my control. Good moom pichers - I'm on my way already.
The Rock Island material was a good choice. There is a good RI story in the latest issue of Classic Trains. I also appreciated the L&N material. The "Crescent" was truly an interline service with a most interesting consist.
"If you wake up dead..." reminds me of the Calvin Coolidge quotation, "When more and more people are put of work, unemployment results."
Work safe
Must have hit the century mark already as it's hotter 'n the shades of Hades out there while attending to chores that had to be take care of . . . <phew>
Appreciate the visit from Shane . . . AND the fone call from Rob! Makes for a good Monday when friends are thinking of ya . . .
Here's a little something for those who appreciate reading - found in the sub-basement archives . . .
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Seven
Wabash Railroad
<Initially Posted on 12 Nov 2007, Page 140 "Our" Place III>
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. Information contained herein has not been corroborated.
Reporting marks
WAB
Locale
Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, and Ontario
Dates of operation
1879 - October 16, 1964
Track gauge
4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)
Headquarters
St. Louis, MO
System timetable, 1887
1886 system map
The Wabash Railroad (AAR reporting marks WAB) was a Class I railroad that operated in the mid-central United States. It served a large area, including trackage in the states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri and Ontario. Its primary connections included Chicago, Illinois, Kansas City, Missouri, Detroit, Michigan, Buffalo, New York, St. Louis, Missouri, and Toledo, Ohio. The Wabash's major freight traffic advantage was the direct line from Kansas City to Detroit, without going through St. Louis or Chicago.
History
The Toledo and Illinois Railroad was chartered April 20, 1853 in Ohio to build from Toledo on Lake Erie west to the Indiana state line. The Lake Erie, Wabash and St. Louis Railroad was chartered in Indiana on August 19 to continue the line west through Wabash into Illinois towards St. Louis, Missouri, and the two companies merged August 4, 1856 to form the Toledo, Wabash and Western Railroad.
The company soon went bankrupt and was sold at foreclosure. The Toledo and Wabash Railroad was chartered October 7, 1858 and acquired the Ohio portion October 8. The Wabash and Western Railroad was chartered on September 27 and acquired the Indiana portion on October 5. On December 15, the two companies merged as the Toledo and Wabash Railway.
Later mergers and reorganizations formed the Toledo, Wabash and Western Railway on July 1, 1865, Wabash Railway in January 1877, Wabash, St. Louis and Pacific Railway on November 7, 1879, and Wabash Railroad on August 1, 1889.
In 1904, the Wabash Pittsburgh Terminal Railway was formed and acquired control of the Wheeling and Lake Erie Railroad, giving the Wabash access to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania as the final step in an attempt to break the near-monopoly of the Pennsylvania Railroad and New York Central Railroad for traffic to the east. However, the Wabash had overextended itself, and the WPT went bankrupt in 1908; it would later become part of the Pittsburgh and West Virginia Railway. The Wabash Railroad itself was sold at foreclosure July 21, 1915 and reorganized October 22 as the Wabash Railway.
The Pennsylvania Railroad acquired loose control of the Wabash in 1927 by buying stock through its Pennsylvania Company. In 1929 the Interstate Commerce Commission charged the PRR with violating the Clayton Antitrust Act. The ruling was appealed, and in 1933 the Circuit Court ruled that the control was for investment only and did not violate the act.
1887 system map
The Wabash Railway again entered receivership on December 1, 1931. The Wabash Railroad, controlled by the PRR, was organized in July, 1941 and bought the Wabash Railway on December 1.
In fall of 1960, the PRR agreed to a lease of the Wabash by the Norfolk and Western Railway. The PRR's Detroit, Toledo and Ironton Railroad assumed control of the Wabash on December 31, 1962. On October 16, 1964 the New York, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad (Nickel Plate Road) merged into the Norfolk and Western Railway, and the N&W leased the Wabash and Pittsburgh and West Virginia Railway. On March 31, 1970 the Pennsylvania Company exchanged its last Wabash shares for N&W common stock; that stock was later divested as a condition of the 1968 merger into Penn Central Transportation. The profitable N&W was itself combined with the Southern Railway to form the Norfolk Southern Railway in 1982. The Wabash Railroad Company continued to exist as a legal entity until it was absorbed into the Norfolk Southern Corporation in late 1991.
Genealogy
Council Bluffs - St. Louis line
The track between Council Bluffs, Iowa and St. Louis was constructed in 1877 by the Council Bluffs and St. Louis Railway. In 1879 that railway became part of the Wabash, St. Louis and Pacific Railway. Today, most of the line is abandoned (222.4 miles from MP188.56 TO MP410.96) under ICC Decision AB-10 (SUB-NO. 27) by the Norfolk and Western from Kelley, Missouri to Council Bluffs, Iowa and effective January 13, 1984.
Iowa portion of line
The Iowa Southern Railroad (ISR) took over 61.5 miles of the Wabash rail line in Iowa to the Missouri stateline between Council Bluffs and Blanchard, Iowa. On August 22, 1988 the line was cut back to serve only Council Bluffs. In August 1990 the remaining Iowa Southern line in Council Bluffs was sold to the Council Bluffs and Ottumwa Railroad (CBOA). In May 1991 the CBOA was sold to the Council Bluffs Railway (CBR), an OmniTrax subsidiary. Today the 66 mile route is abandoned between Council Bluffs and Blanchard and is has been converted into a trail known as the Wabash Trace Trail.
Missouri portion of line
A 93-mile portion of Wasbash's Council Bluffs - St. Louis line in Missouri between Blanchard, Iowa (other sources show Burlington Junction, Missouri) and Lock Springs was sold to the Northern Missouri Railroad (NMOR) and began operations on February 13, 1984. Operations on that line were discontinued in June 1986.
Norfolk & Western abandoned the track between Lock Springs and Chillicothe.
Thirty-nine miles of track between Chillicothe and Brunswick was sold to the Chillicothe Southern Railroad. The line was sold to the Chillicothe-Brunswick Rail Maintenance Authority (CBRM) on July 24, 1987. On April 1, 1990 the line was leased to the Wabash and Grand River Railway. The Wabash & Grand River Railway's lease was terminated on December 1, 1993 due to severe flood damage on the line and the line reverted back to the Chillicothe-Brunswick Rail Maintenance Authority. On December 8, 2006, the Chillicothe Constitution-Tribune reported that the city of Chillicothe sold the majority, about 37 miles, of the railroad to Seattle, Washington based Montoff Transportation, LLC for $976,000. The part of the railroad that was sold has been embargoed since 2003. The city still owns the railroad to the city's industrial park and to a location just east of Chillicothe where future development is planned. Today, the part of the railroad that stretched from Brunswick northward through Triplett and to where it meets up with BNSF railroad in Sumner has been torn down, while the tracks north of that to the location east of Chillicothe have been abandoned and most of the tracks are covered in vegetation.
References
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Some drumheads of the Wabash:
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Hi Tom and all.
A toast please RUTH, for the U.S. Coast Guard's 218th birthday.
LARS Good to see you in the bar on a Saturday with a great post, wherever we are, the bar is so much better when you are able to call in. Not much chance of a hangover for me Monday, as Pat's Place doesn't open on a Sunday.
Many thanks for the great selection for the G of R from the Larsman Mobile. Nice Mk I corridor brake coach in Western Region Chocolate and Cream livery, and like the cabooses over here the BR Brake Van is a real rarity nowadays. Might be wrong, but that looks like a Jones Goods on the cover of the Highland Railway Liveries book, they were the first class of 4-6-0 standard gauge locomotives in the UK.
Thanks for the wishes.
GREAT WESTERN Hope the pasty was OK we have them especially imported from St Ives.
Thanks for the information on the GWR shed codes on engines. I did not know the GWR sheds had numbers for admin purposes. That is the great thing about Our Place the amount of new knowledge picked up. It was a sad, when in BR days, the shed codes were changed in the 1960s with the regional boundary changes, I never did get used to Tyseley being 2A instead of my hometown of Rugby.
The locals call Shrewsbury as it is spelt, my friend Alan is from the area. Like you I used the other pronunciation until being at a Shrewsbury Town football match.
This is supposed to be a true story. In the old days BBC announcers used to travel around by train and used to get the right pronunciation for a town from the railway porters as the train called at a station. When they visited Shrewsbury they were disappointed as the porters called out Salop.
If I recall right the Great Western 1000 County class had a County of Salop.
ALLAN Glad you able to log on and join us at the bar.
Glad you enjoyed the LNER photos; just a couple left and then I have a few LMS, BR Standards, some industrials and then some Great Western.
Reading a bit about the Coronation special that DL saw on Stoke Bank, apparently A4 Sir Nigel Gresley was doing 72 MPH at Stoke Summit after climbing the bank with 13 coaches, some engine.
ROB Thanks for the kind words, glad you liked the photos. Thanks for the help with the bar tab, but hang on, you wrote that Saturday and ‘tomorrow' would be Sunday, when the bar is closed.
Many thanks for the interesting information on the L&PS electrics and the freight traffic they handled. It must have been a good sight to have seen them in action. It is good L2 is saved at your museum, was the third member of the class saved do you know.
Many thanks for the interesting trolley photos; the Chateau Laurier Hotel looks a fine building with a resemblance to the hotel by St Pancras station in London. I like the looks of the NS&T #30 Line Car.
ERIC I too have been to Pikes Peak and there was no snow there when we were there. Not a good place to have a cigarette.
It would be good to have you along for a ride on the St Louis to K.C. run, perhaps in the winter time when they have had the Superliners on the Missouri Mule like this year.
Yes Flying Scotsman is a 4-6-2.
Many thanks for the photos; good looking Swedish locomotives, the Class E 0-8-0 looks a powerful engine.
I guess those cable terminals on the main generator would have a cover over then when in service. Those kids look to be interested as you fixed the EMU.
CM3 I think Scotsman will run with the smoke lifters when she returns to service after the major overhaul she is having at the present, but in LNER livery. I believe the double chimney is to be kept as it improves the locos performance, there was a trial before the overhaul running Scotsman without the lifters but drifting smoke was a problem.
Thanks for the information on the L&N coach.
It was interesting to read that the PRR steam locomotives had their home depot stenciled on the engine. We used to know the Scottish Duchesses and Scots by heart, but the sight of a foreign shed plate brought a quick look in the book as did large numbers on the cab side of a Jubilee or class 5, as it was a trade mark of the St Rollex works in Glasgow.
TOM Yes I wonder how long it would it take if we went to Paris together before we ended up in the Bastille.
It does seem that old RI trackbed has been forgotten about; I guess it would take a massive upturn in freight traffic before it would even be considered. There was talk of a hiking trail being built towards the Kansas City part of the line but it said in the paper that the ROW would be kept.
Yes the LNER pacifics were good looking locos and this from a LMS man. The new class A1 pacific is complete now I believe.
Really enjoyed the U-Tube video on the Rock Island line, great little Ruston running around like to know where though. Lonnie Donnegan' Battle of New Orleans was the first record I bought.
Good films on at the Emporium this week. Streets of Laredo looks another good Westernwith some well known western characters like Judge Roy Bean in the plot. I just missed seeing the Harvey Girls when it was on TCM recently so it will be good to see it and, of course the Stooges.
Many thanks for the SP Named Trains from the Classic Era. I see the SP combined with the Chicago & North Western /Union Pacific as well as the Rock Island on a trains from San Francisco/ Los Angeles to Chicago. I though the Apache was an attractive drumhead, I guess the train was a competitor to the Santa Fe ‘Chiefs'.
A Bathams please RUTH,while I have a read of Tom's Wabash post now..
Pete.
Got a double dose of Brit speak today with Pete at the bar AND on the fone! Good seeing you 'n talking with you!
Wondering 'bout our Manager though, no appearance duirng daylite AND he was HOME! Hmmmmmmm. Perhaps he ran out of time with our fone conversation . . . oh well, he's always "with us"!
Now to something not seen here or at the other iterations of the bar . . .
Six Pack Special Number Twelve
RR advertisements from the Classic Era
Atlantic Coast Line - The Champion
Milwaukee Road - Full Dome
Euro - Switzerland
Illinois Central - Chicago
New Haven - Boston
New York Central - 20th Century Limited
Well good evening one and all and welcome to the last chance saloon (o.k pal-see you in the car park...)...Now then-apologies to all for absence this week end-unexpected family business--Leon,beer for all please,-lets start with a Guiness and a proper pasty for G.W ALAN-we serve the black stuff in extra tall glasses to allow the head to fully develop and our pasties are hand made in the old miners tradition-3 parts savoury filling to one part sweet (separated by a thin skin of pastry) with the traditional `miners knot` at the meat end so you can eat it in the dark....Welcome to the fray Sir-Am looking forward to your insights regarding matters G.W-after the blessed S&D J R ,the finest of lines...........
O.K-looks like I`ve missed another busy weekend........--To be honest,at the moment I am still seeing white lines and headlights in the rearview so is little point in trying to catch up although as a welcome for ALAN I think I might have a G.W.R pic or two to share........
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Well there you go mate:- there`s a load of pix for you to comment on -mostly taken last June-would appreciate an informed opinion........next beers on me ....Just copy and paste with your comments-isnt a test,just some pix to welcome you aboard-interested to hear more about your layout-pix of mine USED to be available on version 3 of this thread.....HMMMMMM
O.K one and all-it`s bed time for me-Hope to be back in proper form tomorrow-although we have a practice tomorrow afternoon for a show on wednesday ( WHO organises a party for wednesday night.....madness....!!! -apparently every cowboy/girl in the district will be there-why am I so nervous....)
O.K guys-Leon-a round of BIG drinks for these good people-TOM-All the best for the morning mate.....
Right,thats me done..
Sleep well everybody
Good evening Leon something tall and cold preferably made with hops Ended up being a hot one today on the final day of the August long weekend.Simcoe day today in honour of John Greaves Simcoe our first GG.Of coarse now it's normally refered to as the Civic holiday <barf>
Tom-Yes it was good talking at you this afternoon,right after I got of the phone with you my fence building buddy showed up and we finished our job ( gate and top rails )
Okay lets see some great stuff Loved the Wabash info.At one point it ran trains through Southern Ontario on trackage rights. Even had some F units and GP's built in London to run on their Canadian runs.Great posters as well. Nice to see that our new reborn, reborn, reborn bar is still chock full of good stuff.
I don't think I had posted the shot of the line car before. The NS&T had two of them,both home built in their shops in St Catharines. They also built the line car for the sister road Oshawa Railway. Their number 45 is at our museum and still being used as it was intended to working overhead repairs and maintenance.
Pete-Ah yes you caught the catch on the tab repayment Wecare luckey that two of those locomotives have been preserved L3 was not saved however some of it's internal parts are in our parts supply,for when we get around to getting L2 back up and running.
Lets see a few more photo's for this evening.
Oshawa line car 45 pushing locomotive 335 upto the main gate at the museum.
A close up shot of locomotive 335
Toronto Civic car 55 in the museum's second car.
Toronto Railway company car 1326 the museum's first car.
Uh oh looks like I started page three,that's almost nose bleed territory,we'll have to be carefull and have bar number five ready to roll.
Something from the absement from back when we had theme days every Tuesday
CLASSIC STEAM #37 BOAT TRAINS IN NORTHERN ONTARIO
Well , to round out today's theme of classic boat trains, here's my small piece to the larger story in the railroad world. Canada had several boat train operations,most were based around railway barges ferrying freight cars and passenegers accross straits or harbours as in the operations across the Detroit River or on some of the earlier CPR and BC rail operations to and from Vancouver Island. My home province has had some interesting rail and water operations as well, in the passenger end of the spectrum there are two or three that I can find some ready info on. I'm sure that there were more.
The first one I will touch on operated for a good 50 years in my own backyard right from my hometown. The interurban railway Thre Niagara St Catharines & Toronto operated boat train of a fashion.As disscussed before the NS&T operated interurban and street railway operations in the Niagara peninsula from the late 1880's to 1959,electric freight operations continued on until 1961.From the mid 1890's to 1953 you could ride the Niagara interurban from Port Colbourne on Lake erie down to Port Dalhousie on Lake Ontario ( St Catharines ) picking up the car in any of the communities along the line,Merriton , Thorold , Niagara Falls, etc and ride down to Lakeside Park which was along the lakeside it operated a full theme park and picnic areas, grandstand etc.In 1895 the Steamer Dalhousie City was chartered to bring people accross the lake from Toronto Island for summer excursions, soon this became a thriving cross lake service, eventually adding a second ship the Northumberland ( both owned by GT ) for years this was the thing to do on those hot muggy summer days, it also was a quick way to Toronto as the QEW was not yet built and it was faster taking the radial car-steamer route than a passenger train. By 1952 the NS&T owned Lakeside Park had burned down and became a run down mess and the cross lake services were ended.By this point as well the QEW and car ownership was a going concern and the two steamers were soon put to pasture, Dalhousie City actually burned at it's dock in 1949.
The second smaller operation was also tied in with one of Ontario's larger radial electric railway's. The London and Port Stanley RR operated frieght and passengers from the early 1900's to 1960 from Port Stanley to London. They also handled alot of coal traffic which was brought into them accross Lake Erie from Ashtibula.A lessor known run but it soldiered on until, the end, even after CN dieselized the L&PS hoppers of heating and locomotive coal were still brought in by car ferry. Once the CN fully dieselized in the early 1960's and newer electrical and natural gas heating lines were built in the cities served the needed heating coal shipments ceased, what little was still consumed came via insterstate - 401 highway trucks.
The final batch of boat trains I'll chat about is the GT/CN cottage country boat trains some vestiges of still exist today ( the boats not the trains ).For years cottagers and summer tourists to the Muskoka area of Ontario had to make the trip via train as hwy11 was still just a dream, what was built of it was generally unpassable and incomplete.CN's Bala subdivision provided the needed lifeline of goods and services to the near north and also brought in the tourists that built the cottages and the towns on the areas famous and picturesque lakes.The towns of Bracebridge ,Gravenhurst and Huntsville were all struggling to survive in the early part of the century, the farm land was poor but the timber stands mines and just the plain beautifull air and lakes was a major drawing card for people. The Muskoka River and it's three large land locked lakes Lake Muskoka , Lake Joeseph and Lake Rosseau were all deep navigable bodies of water and the Muskoka Navigation Company operated upto 20 steamers ( iron hull wood superstructures ) carrying people and goods. Naturally a partnership was formed with first the CnoR then the CN after the takeover to bring the supplies to the docks then onto the ships. From this arrangement many resorts and towns sprung up in what is still today one of the most sought after vacation areas in ontario, the only difference now is that you can drive to them, not so in the earlier part of the century.
In the heyday of the operations 1910-1940 vacationers from Southern Ontario of the Northeastern US could depat on on of seven daily trains from Toronto to the Muskoka Wharf at Gravenhurst( lake Muskoka ) or to Bala Park Wharf at Bracebridge ( Muskoka river / Lake Joe ) or conect to the CPR station right in Bala ( Lake Rosseau ) from these wharfs the train stations were located right on the docks, they could board one of the Muskoka Navigation companies steamers for cruises up and down the lakes to the various resorts or campgrounds. These trains and ships also carried mail all the Muskoka fleets ships carried Royal mail service and had the "RMS" designations.
Evening arrivals on these trains ( 6-7 hour trip 4 by car now )could board their steamers and sleep in a stateroom, or those who came on the later trains could sleep in the sleeping car that CN would leave on the dock plateforms.At the dockside the passengers were greeted by the Muskoka fleet ships RMS Seguin ( still exists today ) Sagamo,Islander,Cherekee,Medora,or Waome.This network of steamer connections offered twice daily access to the more than 80 resorts on the three lakes,and conveyed the groceries and mail and supplies for those that lived along these water ways.
The docksides changed as the car became the new mode of transport and hwy11 reached the Muskokas. by 1940 the docks and stations at lake Joesph and at Bala Park were closed with only the Muskoka wharf at Gravenhurst still operating. By 1950 only the Seguin and the Sagamo were still steaming on the lakes.As the new govt safety regs that were brought in after the Noronic fire in Toronto harbour the year before forced the rest of the fleet out of operation.The 1950 season saw the final cancellation of the Royal mail Contract for the steamers as well. 1952 saw the last season of boat trains to the Muskoka Wharf as well.The 1954 season was the last ship season on the lakes as well with both ships going into storage.
THE HAPPPY ENDING
In 1965 both the Seguin and The Sagamo were bought by the town of Gravenhurst and the freinds of the Muskoka Fleet came into being. The plan was to turn the Seguin into a floating museum of the lake fleets and the Sagamo which was the fleet flagship was to become a floating restuarant and hotel. The Wharf station was spruced up and all was going to plan. In 1969 though a grease fire in the Sagamo's galley burnt it to the waterline. The hull was towed to the other side of the bay were it still exists today.In the late 70's Seguin got a new lease on life purchased from the town for a dollar she was taken out of the water and completely refit to her 1927 glory. In 1981 PM Trudeau presided over the RMS Seguins re-commisioning as a fully restored and operational hand fired coal powerd cruise ship,( the coal is brought in by truck from West Virginia ) she still cruises the Muskoka lakes today along with a Sagamo look alike that is diesel powered that was built by the Muskoka fleet in 2002 and commisioned as RMS Wenonah 2.
Wenonah 2 at Gravenhurst Dock in 2003
The Fleet at dock in Gravenhurst The Seguin blt 1886 , The Wenonah blt in 2002
RMS Seguin comming into the dock.
enjoy Rob
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Rob. Had the same problem logging in as you the same day as you did. A really fine twofer spread of trolley pix from you and the Classic Steam #37 with all the info on the Boat Trains and the fine pix of the Muskoka fleet.
Eric. KiwiRail is what they call a government State Owned Enterprise as of July 1st 2008, their is some good info on this site together with links to OnTrack who are responsible for the track;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiwiRail
A nice selection of random pix including one of the 2nd Class Saloon in the snow.
CM3. Nice to see you in. "N Scale all the way" to quote that old Santa Fe ad.
Pete. Sir Nigel Gresley doing 72mph uphill on Stoke Bank with 13 coaches is truly amazing, a tribute to the restoration and maintenance crew who take such great care of him. It will be great to see the new "Tornado" doing something similar to that in the near future.
Nick. Good to see you in with a great selection of GWR pix mate.
Tom. That empty space in my last post was a PURE mistake, somehow my Word pasted my post TWICE! We had an increase in our WWII membership here after the 60th anniversary of the start of WWII, still a good few left who have never joined. Great to read you had heard of Lonnie Donegan over there, (he was a cannon cocker too!) he ended up playing for the Chris Barber Jazz Band for a long time till he passed on. Thanks for that great link to the YouTube video of Lonnie singing "The Rock Island Line" , that little Brit train looked a bit out of place with the song but it looked cute. Did you watch that Vauxhall (UK GM) Vectra version as well? Nice selection of flicks for the weekend including a re-run of "The Harvey Girls" which whetted my interest in the AT&SF RR. Fine posts in BITD #7 on the Wabash RR and #12 in the series of Classic RR Ads.
See ya, Allan
And the days are dwindling down to a precious few . . . It's TUESDAY again, the most non-descript of ‘em all. <groan> BUT, take heart me hearties - there's fresh Joe in the urns, pastries beggin' to be devoured along with <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts to be ordered. So all's not lost!
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Monday - August 4th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 2 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:30 AM: And along comes our Resident WVA Connection on this hot ‘n humid day to refresh us all with chat ‘n drink!
Petrol had dropped to $3.62 <rounded> when we came back from dinner on Sunday evening - "they" are telling us to expect it to keep doing so ‘til Labor Day. Who ever thought any of us would be "relieved" at prices like those, eh <barf>
You may wish to know that the MockingDoves frequenting our nest in the front of our home, are now on iteration #4 - YES - three sets of "twins" have been hatched thus far this year in that nest . . . most prolific breeders, eh Mama bird #4 is occupying the premises at present . . .
When I open up my latest issue of Classic Trains mag, it will be a snowy day in Hades. Meaning: I'm so <censored> far behind in reading, that I've totally lost track of the last one I read! <geesh> A terrible dilemma that I must work on . . . my reading habits are kinda like my beer drinking - comes ‘n goes. I need motivation! Pete is fine for the latter - but what in the world "works" for the former Hmmmmmm.
I think we're "square" on Email exchanges - at least, hope so! <phew>
Oh yes, Nick said the RR BOOK RELAY 2008 will be made ready for mailing soon - I'll let you know when it's on the way. You had asked for mid-August . . . after you, it's Rob for September . . . the participation is moving along quite nicely.
Many thanx for the remembrance of CG Day, along with the ROUND ‘n quarters! Not to worry, Mate . . . we'll be here upon your return.
Page 2 - Pete <pwolfe> at 3:35 PM: A "live" chat ‘n a fine PM Post - what could top that, eh Hmmmmmmmm - a couple of brews at the TrainWreck Saloon, for starters might do it! <grin>
Good to learn that our interim Governor General survived the rigors of the dentist <Vito's latest entry into the respectable world of pain infliction!> <yikes>
Yeah, methinks you are correct - we'd not stand a chance in Paris with the Gendarmerie! <uh oh>
Much to eavesdrop with your < I3 > Post ‘n I'm sure the guys will enjoy what you've had to offer!
I didn't give much thought to that Apache drumhead, but now that you mentioned it - could definitely have been the competitor to the AT&SF Chiefs . . . good call, Mate!
Appreciate the USCG birthday greeting!
Many thanx for the ROUND, visit ‘n always enlightening chat!
Page 2 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7:37 PM <1:37 AM Tuesday GMT>: First off - many thanx for the flurry of Email - I'd say you've caught up ‘n done it in style!
Responses sent . . .
A whole bunch of fotos to savor . . . very diverse, very interesting ‘n very much appreciated!
Still have a little difficulty envisioning cowboys ‘n cowgirls in west Wales . . . but methinks after a pint or two, why it would be as "natural" as whistling Dixie in the hallowed halls of Parliament! <grin>
Back to your foto spread - I think the most intriguing of the lot is the one with the carriages along side that pile of coal. Quite a contrast! Also, no problem with visibility from inside that Devon Belle! Never saw one like that before . . .
Appreciate the visit, chat, fotos ‘n ROUND!
Page 3 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 7:58 PM ‘n 8:51 PM: A two-fer from our Manager, who surely made up for "lost" time!
Working "fence" on your day off, eh Well, idle hands get into mischief, or so "they" say - and we surely wouldn't want to have to bail you out . . . much safer with that fence keeping you IN! <grin>
Enjoyed the line car shots ‘n of course the traction! I think you've "hooked" me . . .
Civic holiday Now there's one that slipped through these parts . . . hmmmmmmm. Isn't every day a . . . . nah, let's not go there! <grin>
No more "gifts" for turning the Page . . . see what it got us, eh <yikes>
Good "nite cap" with the reminiscing of when we had a "theme" for Tuesdays . . . hmmmm, but it was Monday when you Posted it! Hmmmmmm. Must be the heat! <grin> Anyway, nice piece - enjoyed it the second time ‘round as well.
I enjoyed our chat today - as always, we covered a bit of ground, eh Seems like summers up your way aren't a whole hulluvalot different from here - but I'd add this, we undoubtedly rack up far more oppressive days than you . . . after all, you're in the "frozen northland" or some may think! <grin>
Not sure - but we may have "discovered" the source of our water problem with the basement. A bit complicated to fully explain - but let me simply say, all of this MAY have been attributed to a blocked downspout drain system . . I figured the water simply backed up to where it forced its way into the underground near where the downspout connected to the "system" thereby becoming the mysterious SOURCE I've been looking for. All that would be needed would be a path to the wall - a ground hog or chip munk tunnel or simply cracks beneath the surface or even following root systems of shrubbery could've been the conduit, who knows The water wouldn't leak out going forward - but might have if forced into reverse direction.
Yeah, we have 3 such arrangements in the front of our home where the water gets rerouted away from the house onto the front lawn - sloping away, of course. There was about 3 feet of <crap> jammed tightly into what should have been the opening of that system. The lawn had completely overgrown it to where we had to "hunt" in order to find it. Anyway, cleaned it out ‘n now waiting for the next torrential downpour just to see IF that might have been the problem all along. Hope that chapter is closed . . . time will tell.
Enuf of that . . . many thanx for the visits ‘n good cheer!
Page 3 - Allan <Gunneral> at 10:10 PM <5:10 PM Tuesday NZ time>: Heartening to know that your vet's organizations have seen a "spike" - of course, as WE rack up the years, fewer ‘n fewer remain who have any recollection of those WWII years . . .
Checked out the KiwiRail link - too bad they didn't put up some fotos - but at least there's some background info - thanx!
So, Lonnie was a serviceman too, eh Makes me appreciate his music all the more!
And yes, I viewed that auto advertisement with Lonnie's singing - different, fer sure, fer sure. Lots of good links on that Page . . . glad you enjoyed ‘em!
Check these with Johnny Cash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1eW6SLwysI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_29qAoaxdE&feature=related
Stick with these - they begin slow but really move along!
Your Email was received ‘n passed along - thanx!
Many thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND of Tui!
A cup of coffee and a bacon sarnie please RUTH.
I thought I would drop off a couple of photos this AM.. The last of the LNER engines for now, these three are the only survivors of their classes in the UK.
Sir Nigel Gresley's V2 class 2-6-2 60800(LNER number 4771) ' Green Arrow' of 1936, the loco was named for the Green Arrow fast freight service from London to Edinburgh. The V2s gained a very good reputation during the war for their haulage capacity. In 1958 60800 was shedded at King's Cross shed in London.
In preservation days Green Arrow was a very popular performer on main line tours. Here 60800 is at Carlisle before hauling a special over the Settle & Carlisle line.
A Gresley 1932 rebuild of Great Eastern Railway CME S.D. Holden's 1911 design, B12 4-6-0 No.8572(BR No. 61572) at Leicester North on the preserved Great Central Railway.8572 was at the East Anglian shed of Ipswich in 1958.
The only surviving GCR frieght locomotive in the UK,class O4 2-8-0 No. 63601, again at Leicester North. The class was introduced in 1911, a J.G. Robinson design. Several of this class of locomotive saw service in WWI, it is believed some of the class still exist in Australia. In 1958 63601 worked off the ex GC shed of Frodingham Lincolnshire.
Back later.
Finally made it back from a looooooooooong morning. All's well for those who've been following this via Email . . .
I see Pete's been "in" to help out in Shane's "slot"with some fine Brit RR Pix!
With so few to pick up the slack during daylite, it's most appreciated ‘n helpful to have guys like the Wolfman around. BUT, having said that - take note: He's skeedaddling out for the weekend! Yep - won't be doing his chores on Friday nite thru Saturday. Probably will even be late for HIS B'day on Monday! <geesh>
A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers!
Number Eight
Caveat: Use of the images presented is made under the provisions of Public Domain. There is no intent to profit or otherwise benefit from the display of these images except for personal pleasure.
(1) RR Man's Magazine - Who Dares? - Dec 14, 1918
(2) RR Stories - The Devil's Sinkhole - Jul 1933
(3) RR Stories - A Short Cut for Ships - Jul 1936
(4) RR Magazine - Link and Pin - May 1941
(5) RR Magazine - A Pot of Tallow for the Iron Horse - Mar 1937
A pint of Bathams please RUTH
TOM Great to talk with you yesterday, yes a couple of TrainWreck Saloon brews would have gone down well to combat the heat we are having at the present. Really glad it was OK today as well.
Many thanks for the Wabash Back in the Day, an interesting read. It is sad to see how much of the original Wabash ROW has been abandoned today though. The name still lives on though on some bridges and old stations like this one in Columbia MO. part of the Wabash line north of the station is in use for Columbia Terminal, which connects with the NS at Centralia. The Wabash name can be made out on the front of the old Columbia station when enlarged
That is a good map and I see the Wabash reached Glasgow Mo where it joined the Chicago and Alton now KCS line.
I think the Wabash had some of the most attractive drumheads.
Enjoyed the RR Advertisements from the Classic Era. The artwork on them is marvelous I like the art deco style on the NYC and the detail in the Switzerland one. I wonder what year the New Haven Boston poster was from I like its style as well.
Many thanks for the links to the Johnny Cash videos, not only a great singer but also a good reader as well as in the 2nd video.
Great set of Classic Covers, not sure if I have seen the Railroad Man's Magazine before. I see on the July 1936 cover of Railroad Stories in a painting of that proposed railroad for moving ships across land we mentioned at the bar a while ago. I don't think we had magazines with just railway stories in Britain although there was a comic with writing as opposed to cartoons, called The ‘Wizard' that usually had a couple of railway stories in it each issue, perhaps Allan can recall the Wizard, I think it stopped publication in the 1960s.
NICK Many thanks for the Great Western photos both old and new. I' m sure Great Western will especially enjoy the P&DR ones.
ROB Glad you were able to get the fence finished despite the hot weather. Another hot day here but it should cool off a bit after a cold front goes through tonight.
It is good that L1 and L2 were saved at least some parts of L3 were saved so that it can help in the restoration of L2.
Many thanks for the photos from your museum. Locomotive 335 looks quite powerful, I bet car 1326 is a favorite with the museums volunteers.
It was great to see and read the interesting Boat Trains of Northern Ontario, it seems a long while ago to me now since we had the theme days. It if a portion of line was kept I bet it would be a great tourist attraction connecting with the RMS Sequin and Wenonah today.
I see PSV have produced a railroad atlas of Ontario showing past and present lines.
ALLAN Many thanks for the link to Kiwi Rail.
The driver on Sir Nigel said he had to rein the locomotive in, as she wanted to go faster. It will be interesting to see what the maximum speed limit will be for the A1 on the main line. The maximum speed for steam is 75MPH for the larger locomotives running on the main line now, but is the A1 is a new locomotive so perhaps will be allowed to go faster, I am sure the A1 will be easily capable of 90 MPH.
Watched most of the AB v Aus game last evening, a good game and a good result.
I though it is time for a QUIZ QUESTION(what's that groaning I hear), no, an easy one. GWR Hall class No 5972 Olton Hall, in the photo below, is a film star now. Question, what is her 'Stage Name' or the name of the train she hauls in the films CLUE 5972 is painted red for the films. PRIZE one go with the magic wand with the magic words 'Beerius Appearus'.
Well after that I had better get a round in please RUTH.
Good evening Leon. In for a relaxing glass or two of Keith's.Another hot one today followed by a couple really big thunder storms.
Tom-Good to hear that you may have the leak problem figured out and hopefully beat. Will keep the thumbs up and fingers crossed for you on that one.Nice looking magazine covers today as well.
I'm glad that you liked the re-read.Who knows perhaps we can maybe get back to those theme days ( or weeks )
I saw today that the Pearson airport rail links in the news again ( bad again of coarse ) seems that the neigbours are a bit riled as the plan right now is that the Provincial government is going to shell out 300 million to build the infrastructure.But the equipment and the profits are going to be the sole domain of SNC Lavelin the line operator. They are envisioning a non stop airport to Union station link at $20 bucks a head with no stops in between.They are billing it as an all buisness man's (buisiness class ) link instead of a straight run for everyone.So the taxpayers are a bit PO'd they want it to have regular service stops in between and be part of the regular public transit link. So the battle continues. I can see their point though,public money funding and building a transport link for only some people ? I can see why the debates heated up again.
Pete-So survived another bout in Vito's chair eh,well what does not kills you makes you stronger they say.Great looking shots in both posts today.Nice looking colourfull steamers as always.Nice to see the stations as well.
335 was a powerfull unit it was classed a type B 50 ton locomotive. It's horsepower would be the equivilent to a mid range diesel powered GP type locomotive..It and L2 are long term projects as at the moment the mainline can't handle that heavy a vehicle constantly moving over it as it's only 90lbs rail.1326 is a crew and customer favourite,mostly due to it's age and importance to the collection and that it is an infrequently used unit.
Unfortunatly there's no way to put the rails back in in Gravenhurst the towns grown up along the old ROW.Still if the link was still there what an interesting display that could be.
Allan-Interesting link on the Kiwi Rail. Hopefully as time goes on it becomes a bigger and better and ultra modern operation.
Wednesday's Witticism
Circuit-ridin' preachers are so poor that if they didn't fast twice a week, they'd starve to death.
Hump Day fo the working stiffs in the crowd! So, why not join us for breakfast before trudging off to your labors
The smell of freshly baked pastries ‘n our special blend coffee is enough to jump start the appetite for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast! So, let's get a move on . . .
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Tuesday - August 5th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 3 - Pete <pwolfe> at 10:23 AM ‘n 4:25 PM: A two-fer from our Bar Chandler and ONLY daytime customer! Surely a mixed bag for our little Watering Hole by the Wayside . . .
Many thanx for jumping in with a morning visit to keep things perking in Shane's absence . . . As is most evident, it takes ALL of us to pitch in if we are to remain vibrant ‘round here.
Four ‘n three in terms of fotos provided! Something about the name, Green Arrow that conjures up some good images - smart looking loco, fer sure, fer sure! Monster drivers visible on a couple of those shots.
Nice that there are still remnants of what used to be with the Wabash in Missouri. Evidence that you are putting your time to use - wisely!
Sorry, but I have no data to help you out with the timeframe for those Posters . . . especially the NH one. Think 50s . . .
We looked at the binders for Railroad Man's Magazine at the Barriger Library . . . that may be where your recollections are from . . . All part of the evolution to the Railroad Magazine, back in the day . . .
Oh, noooooooooo - not another one of Pete's Infamous Quiz Questions! <arrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh> May as well ask how many spokes in the rear wheel of your first bicycle . . . <geesh> Oh well, here's my guess: Hogwarts Castle was the name . . Hogwarts Express on the headboard . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_4900_Class_5972_Olton_Hall
You'll luv this - when I did a Dogpile<a search engine to calm down the censor ‘n hall monitor!!> search on 'Beerius Appearus', it came back to "Our" Place IV!!!! Suspicions confirmed, eh We'll "live" forever in the Ether!! <grin> Of course I DO understand your tongue in cheek reference - Latin at that! <grin>
Thanx again for your continuing ‘n most valuable support for "Our" Place - and the ROUND!
Page 3 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:47 PM: As much as I'd enjoy a return to our Tuesday Theme for the Day routine, I just don't see it happening. We haven't the participation, for it took pretty near everyone to participate. If you recall, a "theme" would be selected in advance - the guys would prepare some responses ‘n off we'd go. Don't see that happening any more . . . was enjoyable while it lasted, though.
Some very PROMISING signs: After a deluge last night, the basement remains DRY!! Could it be Might we be rid of the problem I'll hold off declaring VICTORY ‘til at least a couple of more bouts of hard rain . . .
Man oh man, the arrogance factor is alive ‘n well up your way <too>! Yeah, everyone who supports a project like the one discussed with tax dollars certainly should be outraged IF the end result excludes more than it attracts. <barf> Hopefully some common sense planning will prevail ‘n to the Devil with those who pander to the "elitists" in the crowd. THEY can well afford a limo from the airport to downtown . . . <geesh> I do think that in these times, twenty bucks for a non-stop trip on the rails isn't at all bad by comparison with using the highways . . . but it surely seems counterproductive to rule out any stops along the route - especially at major population centers <centres>. Oh well, what do I know, eh
VERY surprised you didn't pick up on this latest shirking of duty get-a-way by the Bar Chandler! Hmmmm.
Many thanx for the visit ‘n chat!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
A cup of your famous coffee and a bacon sarnie please RUTH.
A couple of photos from the Strathspey Railway in the Highlands of Scotland. The locomotive in the first pics is a J.F. McIntosh 1899 design for the Caledonian Railway, an 0-6-0 it was known as class 812 on the CR and classified 3F by the LMS.The loco is in its BR livery carring the BR number 57566 at Boat of Garten.
57566 gets ready to leave for Aviemore. The loco was shedded at the port of Ardrossan in 1958.
This was from an earlier visit when the loco was in the attractive Caledonian Blue livery running as their No.828. This is at the SR's Aviemore station.
The Strathspey Railway now runs in to a platform at the BR Aviemore station on the Perth to Inverness main line. Here is another of the SR fleet Austerity 0-6-0ST No 9.
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Back later
Our Bar Chandler came thru again for us - albeit rather close to noon! - but came thru nonetheless! <grin>
ALSO: An Email has been sent to our <GoR> this AM! Check your in boxes . . .
Here's one not previously seen at any of our bars . . .
Now Arriving on Track #2
Classic Drumheads by the Dozen - #7
(1) KCS Lines
(2) L&N - The Hummingbird
(3) NH - Advance Merchants Limited
(4) NYC - James Whitcomb Riley
(5) Nickel Plate Road
(6) N&W Railway
(7) NP - North Coast Limited <variation>
(8) PRR - Cincinnati Limited
(9) CRI&P <Rock Island> - Oklahoma Rocket
(10) Soo - Spokane-Portland - Train De Luxe
(11) Sou - Crescent-Sunset Limited
(12) SP - Cascade <variation>
A pint of Bathams please RUTH to celebrate the slightly cooler weather here.
ROB Glad you enjoyed the photos.
Many thanks for the information on #335. Yes I guess a locomotive like 335 would be a bit hard on the track. Thinking about it brought another thought to mind, when locomotives as powerful as 335 were in normal service would there be a limit to the load they could haul so it did not overload the power supply.
So I guess # 1326 is used mainly on gala days at the museum, I am sure it is very popular on those days.
In Northern England there is a preserved line that connects with the steamers on Lake Windermere, and is very popular combining a boat trip and a ride behind a steam locomotive.
TOM I hope Eric can get his modem fixed soon.
I do enjoy finding railroad bridges and buildings with the name of a fallen flag on them; there is one down Springfield Mo. Way with FRISCO still on it.
Yes that must have been it, seeing the Railroad Man's Magazine at the Barriger Library, I still feel a little when we found the last issues of the Railroad Magazine, which I recall had adverts to the British Railway Magazine in a couple of them.
Wouldn't it be great if the TrainWreck Saloon or Pat's Place was within walking distance of the Barriger Library we could enter there and not be seen for weeks.
Fame at last, I shall have to invent some more words.
Congratulations you are right with the both parts of the quiz. I must admit I do like the Harry potter films. I have probably told this before, but when we traveling north for the Highland Steam Festival two young ladies were on the train and they were going to the North Yorks Moors Railway where the first Hogwarts Express railway scenes were filmed (the others were on the West Highland line in Scotland) to organize things for the film and they quizzed the two Alans on steam engines.
Enjoyed the Classic Drumheads by the Dozen #7, each railroad with its different style. My favorite today is the very attractive The Hummingbird from the L&N Company.
As it is a bit slow at the bar I thought I would do an encore of named trains.
LONDON & NORTH EASTERN RAILWAY (LNER)
The LNER, to my mind had the most varied and some of the best names on British Railways. Of the 5 largest companies that formed the LNER 3 the Great Northern, North Eastern and Great Eastern Railways did not as a rule named their engines whereas the Great Central and the North British did. I will use the BR number for the locos as the LNER numbering/re-numbering would give even Einstein a hard time.
THE PACIFICS.
The A4s Silver Link was the first of the class, which have been called Sir Nigel Gresley's masterpiece. This loco went sent into service working the Silver Jubilee from London to Newcastle in 1935. There were 3 other A4s with the ‘silver' theme. The class also carried names of 4 Commonwealth countries including the preserved ‘Dominion of Canada'. The majority of the rest of the class was named after British wild birds, including the world steam speed record holder ‘Mallard'. Although the 100th Gresley pacific built carried the name of the designer. Later some of the A4s were re-named for officials of the LNER and Eastern Region, another A4 to receive a new name was Dwight D. Eisenhower, this engine is now preserved in Green Bay WIS.
The A3s. The first loco was named Great Northern; the second was the famous Flying Scotsman. The rest of the class, apart from a few exceptions, were named after successful flat racing ‘classic', e.g. Derby, St Ledger etc, racehorses. One A3 was named for the 100th year of Donacaster Works where the locos were built, but it was not 60048 Doncaster, which was a horse, but 60056 Centenary.
Out of a class of 78 locos only one is saved, and but for Mr. Alan Peglar, who bought the loco from BR, the most famous of all British locomotives Flying Scotsman, could well have gone to the scrapheap.
P2, A2/2 These were the original Gresley 2-8-2s, which were converted by E. Thompson into Pacifics, they kept their original names, all with a Scottish theme, like Mon's Meg (anyone know what the name commemorates) and Wolf Of Badenoch.
The A2s proper were named after more successful racehorses, including Bachelor's Button and the preserved Blue Peter.
The A1s had 6'8"driving wheels as compared to the 6'2" of the A2s. These locos had a mixed bag of names some ‘bird' names and some characters from the novels of Sir Walter Scott. No 60143 was named after the great author. No A1s were preserved but volunteers, the money mainly raised by railfans, are building a brand new A1. The loco has the next number in the A1 series 60163 and is to be named Tornado. It as just moved under its own power
2-6-2s
The LNER introduced a fast freight service between London and Edinburgh the name given to this service was Green Arrow and the first of a new class of V2s introduced in 1936 was given this name. Only 6 other V2s out of a class of 184 locos were named. I guess to make up for the lack of other engines being named, one V2, No 60835, had a name of no less than 58 letters it was (Deep breath) The Green Howard, Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own Yorkshire Regiment. In 1955 the loco was shedded at Heaton in Newcastle on Tyne.
The V2s came known as "The Engines that won the War" due to the heavy trains (by British standards) they hauled in WWII.
Green Arrow is preserved and impressed the ex LMS crews when it was returned to the main line in the 1970s especially on the Settle & Carlisle line.
Another 2-6-2 to be named was Gresley'sV4 No 61700 Bantam **** there was just two in the class and it was rumored that Bantam Hen plates were cast for the second loco but I don't believe they were fitted, if they were indeed cast.
4-6-0s
Some of Thompson's successful mixed traffic class of 409 locos, the B1s, were named after, mainly Scottish, railway officials although the first 40 of the class were named after, well can you guess, from these examples, Puku, Sassaby, and Madoqua. (Didn't the spell-checker love those!) Answer at the end.
Gresley introduced some 3-cylinder 4-6-0s the B17s or ‘Sandringhams' the first engines were named after stately homes in the LNER area with the latter engines of the class being named after football (soccer) clubs. These were most attractive nameplates with a brass football above the name and the lower half of the plate was in the team's colours. They are highly collectable today. I believe after the locos ended service one nameplate off the locos was given to the clubs named.
2-6-0s
A small class of 6 locos built for the West Highland line, the K4s, were given names linked to the area, one 61994 The Great Marquess has been preserved.
4-4-0s
For use on lines with a lighter loading gauge, Gresley introduced the D49s they were named after Counties and after Fox Hunts.
Just getting into LNER days was a development of the Great Central Director class D11 which were built for the Scottish loading gauge, these locos carried on from an earlier North British design of 4-4-0s and had names from the Scott novels, to me they are some wonderful names, like Wizard Of The Moor, Laird of Balmawhapple, The Lady Of The Lake, Bailie MacWheeble and Luckie Mucklebackit.
These locos did not have a nameplate; the name was painted on as in N.B. tradition.
Unfortunately the LNER engines have not fared well as regards preservation compared to the other big four engines. One main reason being that only one ex LNER engine made it to the famed Barry Scrapyard that was B1 No 61264, now running main line tours.
The answer to the B1 question was that they were named after antelopes. No doubt the officials were hoping that they would be known as antelopes of after the first B1 No 61000 Springbok but the engine crews took the cue from 61005 and the class was known as ‘Bongo's. One of the named B1s has a U.S. connection 61379 was named Mayflower, sadly this engine was not saved but the name is carried on the other B1 to be Preserved 61306, which was the last B1 in service, it is in LNER apple green livery.
From what I believe is the longest name on the Big Four with that V2 name the LNER also had the shortest with B1 Gnu.
Well RUTH we are off this evening to see a band from Cork, Ireland tonight in concert at the Linciln Universary here in town, so a round please.
Pete
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Gas is at $3.97 here. My apologies for not posting but environmental concerns as I explained to OSP have prevented regular appearances. Hope to be back at regular spot on Friday.
Allan was in - good to hear from you.
Rob - Nice pictures and a rerun of the boat train article.
Pete - Green Arrow is beautiful! Next time you are at the library see if they have a copy of Apex of the Atlantics - several pictures in there of PRR stenciling. Your post hit just as I was about (!@#$ laptop) to send this one. Will copy your article and read it.
Nick was by with comments.
OSP - Mocking Doves? If it keeps the neighbors happy, why not? They are good breeders. Nice Wabash offering, Grafix classics, and classic covers. Link and pin - dangerous - missing fingers were a brakeman's badge of occupation.
I have rec'd. read and responded too e mails - I think.
Bar Chandler Pete came by with another fine offering this PM! Anyway - do appreciate the attentiveness to DUTY - too bad that "feeling" doesn't extend to weekends! <uh oh>
Hmmmmmmm, I think I detected some ‘code' in that <ahem> concert you're going to tonite - methinks it will all wind up in an Irish Pub! Hmmmmm, wonder where that could possibly BE Hmmmmmmm.
Then I LOST "this" Post as 'somehow' it must've wound up competing with Shane's submission - probably both hit the "send" button at the same time - or close 'enuf to awake the Gremlins! <arrrrrrrggggghhhhh> Thank heavens for SAVING while in WP! <phew>
Good to see ya Shane - not to worry, we understand the situation 'n will carry on, as best we can, 'til our <GoR> comes back to full strength!
Okay - since it is Wednesday at the Bar by the Ballast, we've had a "tradition" of sorts of providing some fun with Toy ‘n Model Trains - so, here's a continuation of that idea!
SIGNS from the Can-Am Train Room - Part One
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(4)
(5)
(6)
More to follow . . . next week IF we don't get some more daylite "action" today!
Good evening all,greetings from the other side of the big water,leon-beer for the entire company please-must confess,am the worse for wear after tonights show,-could go off on one here about our next show,where I am the only guitarist,but would be wildly off topic and we cant be doing with that.........
As it happens have managed some work on the layout -the line into the top station has been slewed across to make room for a carriage siding(at least 7 cars) and still clear of the gasworks spur,the line in has been re-laid with 5` radius turnouts and it all ties in very nicely-pix to follow
Just for once I feel like I have got it right....the acid test is yet to come-will keep you all posted.....whoppee-here we go then............
enjoy,
Good evening folks. Leon a big round of everyone's favourite tonight on the manager.It was a busy day off for me spent most of it at the hospital. ( not abad thing so don't get excited Boris ) Heather's sister has added another member to the family so we spent a good deal of the day with them.Yes Boris you can break out those Cuban cigars ( just don't eat yorus like the last time )
Tom-I did notice Pete's latest weekend dissappearing act.I guess I didn't react because it happens sooo often anymore ,<grin>That's okay it just means that his tab gets abused by the <gor> on the days ( daze ) he's away.
Great drumheads and photo's from the trainroom sir. I love the builders plates. I'm assuming that they are reproductions and not removed from the real thing.I know that we won't get back to theme days ,but they were a wonderfull part of bar number one and two
What can I say corporate JO's live in both countries.What burns me the most is that the rail mounted Limo's they intend to use are the string of RDC's that VIA is storing in the Mimico yard.They are going to refurbish them with new powerplants seats etc which makes it both a good thing and a bad thing. Good that if the plan goes ahead those RDC's will be prowling GTA tracks,bad that all of us won't be able to enjoy them if the plan stays the same.
Got the latest emails so I'm upto date. I hope that Eric's puter problems are short lived.
Pete-More great photo's and some interesting insights on the various classes of locomotives.
Yes 335 and L2 will be hard on our trackage.They tend to pound the track more than a streetcar does.Beyond the basic restoration ( body, mechanical,and electrical )they will need to be completly rewired.Both the L&PS and the GRR were 1500 volt systems the museum is 600 volt.In teh days they ran on their home rails there never seemed to be a problem, the lines had heavy enough powerplants to keep everything running,both RR's ahd both freight and passeneger operations running all day long.
1326 does only get out on the Gala days ( due to her age built in 1910 ) and the fact that she was last completely restored in 1956 she's due for some major repairs all underframe stuff that you can't see,and a rewiring as the 1956 restorations need to be restored.But come out on those Gala days and she and 55 and our third car Montreal and Southern Counties 107 and a host of work equipment that normally stay parked come out and strut their stuff.
Shane-Good to see you made it in.Glad you liked the re-run of the of the boat trains,updated with some new photo's as well.
Nick-Thanks for the round <burp> Hopefully you won't have too splitting of a headache tomorrow.
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Tom. A couple of nice links to those two Johnny Cash versions of The Rock Island Line, the one with his reading intro was a bit different. Lonnie D was in the artillery 1949/51 for his two year national service stint. Some real nice covers in your Nickels Worth of Classic Covers #8. A very nice selection of Classic Drumheads by the Dozen in #7 of the series and a fine lot of signs from the Can Am Train Room in Pt 1. Good to hear you have found the possible source of your basement water problem at last. Had that "Down for Maintenance" problem about 5 hrs ago, 1.30pm, have just posted this after seeing Rob`s post when I managed to get in at 6.30pm here!
Pete. A real nice set of LNER era pix with the "Green Arrow", the B12 and the 04 all in mint condition. It`s amazing that Sir Nigel`s driver had to rein him back going up Stoke Bank, everything must be in top working condition mechanically, a real tribute to the shed staff. They really must class A1 Tornado as a totally new loco by my thoughts about it, she is brand spanking NEW! Some fine pix from the Strathspey Rly and enjoyed your write up on the LNER loco types`, their inception and naming, thanks mate. Have not been too interested in the Tri Nations rugby just lately, it`s become very boring with the media saturating all the news with counter claims and stupid remarks ad nauseum.
Rob. Good to see you in. The government have just announced a NZ$80 million injection into KiwiRail to upgrade the passenger equipment and services, so thing`s are on the up and up here. See you missed that "Down for Maintainence" hassle earlier today.
CM3. Good to see you in sir.
Nick. Good to see you in. Sounds as if you are really chuffed with the results you have achieved from your layout track upgrade work.
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, how are you? Good to see you again! A sugar cured ham sandwich would be perfect. A cold Tui!
Back again after missing a couple of days! Got the new modem yesterday but after it was hooked up and running we had a severe thunderstorm so I felt it was better/safer to close down everything and postpone my visit.
Tom – Hope you are right about finding the source of your water problem! It sounds very likely that you are right. We used to have a person who could take care of cats, dog and birds while we were gone, but he passed away a few years ago and right now we don’t have anyone who is qualified. Which means we can’t stay away over night at the same time. The gal on the bicycle? I have no clue who she is/was. Never seen her before. Or after. Sorry to disappoint you! The caption for the EMU photo is okay, but what we really did was using a steel wire to tie a valve in closed position. The train had hit some debris that hit the valve so it did not stay closed. In open position it let the compressed air out of the reservoirs. But after 5 minutes hard work the train could continue.
Good movies, as always at the Emporium this week! Streets of Laredo and the Harvey Girls (those girls used to work at the Grand Canyon!!!). Thanks for the SP named trains list! Quite a few! I never heard about Arizona Limited before! Chicago - Phoenix!Congratulations Tom! You were active in the Coast Guard during 14 2/3% of its existence! That is quite a bit!Interesting info on Wabash! It is kind of strange, but so many of those railroads had tacks/track rights to St. Louis! I wonder why? A nice collection of old ads, including one for the Jura - Simplon Railway in Switzerland. I was traveling those tracks in the mid 80’s. Very interesting. Interesting to see those magazine covers! They all have one thing in common, danger! A woman, a locomtive falling into a sink hole, etc. A short cut for ships looks interesting! Did that kind of transport ever take place?A good collection of drumheads! Including one of L&N’s The Humming Bird! Ah, I recognize those signs from the Can-Am room! Pullman’s and EMD’s logos were very nice!Rob – Snow plow on the steam locomotive in the summer? Well, you never know when the next snowfall is coming. One has to be prepared. My butt?? Hmm.Pikes Peak is nice. When I was there they had a heat wave, 34˚ F, at the top. I haven’t tried the Cog Railway, but I saw it. Maybe next year.
A nice mix of street cars! Radial car? Why radial? Your museum’s car 55 and 1326 are very classic looking cars! What is the story about locomotive 335? Thanks for the story on Boat Trains in Northern Ontario! I read it last time but it was good to refresh my memory!CM3 – I’ll remember your offer about info on L&N. I am sure some questions will pop up pretty soon. The Class B, 4-6-0, in my photo, was one of the most common locomotives in Sweden during the first half of the 1900’s. They could be seen everywhere in all kinds of trains. Many of them have been preserved and one is running somewhere in Maine. Gas price is falling pretty rapidly here. The lowest now is $3.65.Pete – Riding the train in the winter time? When it is cold outside? But still decent in Phoenix? Wow, you are asking a lot! The Class E was a light locomotive for lines with light rails. Very common, one is in Hull, outside Ottawa, ON. The generator is located under the hood so those cable terminals are protected. Nice photos of those old steamers! The first picture, Green Arrow hauling a special, was it just a one car special? Didn’t give very much braking power with just one car.I am glad I didn’t have to work on 57566! One of those locomotives with only half a cab (barely). I wonder why they made them som small?Thanks for the info on The Pacifics! Race horse called Bachelor’s Button? Poor horse and not a good name for a locomotive. Nick – Interesting photos! Hopefully Alan will be able to add some comments and info. Looking forward to photos of your rebuilt layout with the new carriage siding and (I guess) tighter turnouts!Thanks for the beer!Allan – Thanks for the link to KiwiRail! Very interesting! Is there any map of the rail network?
Rendezvous III. 2008.
Round for the house!!
Eric
Breakfast on this Thursday morning only requires your interest in it! Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh ‘n the Menu Board contains our <light> ‘n <traditional> kick-start meals!
This is going to be "one of those days <daze>" as I'll be away 'til mid-late afternoon . . .
REMINDER: For the <GoR> plus one, check your Email at least daily! Even the best of plans are subject to glitches . . .
And the drought continued with Eric having modem problems - Shane in a rather unhealthy situation at work - our ONLY irregular part-timer logging in but not visiting, etc., etc., etc. Do appreciate the efforts from those who take the time ‘n make the effort - YOU are the guyz who are keeping us going!
Wednesday - August 6th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 3 - Pete <pwolfe> at 11:19 AM ‘n 2:50 PM: A fine foto spate in the AM followed by a loooooooooong Epistle in the PM from our Bar Chandler - but both chock full o' enough info to captivate our crew <wherever they may be!>
We've not read nor viewed any of the Potter series . . . one day, perhaps I'll check out the DVDs. Usually not much on fantasy this or that . . . but I've heard enough about the flicks to make me wonder whether they are indeed worthy of an adult look see.
Surprised at your lengthy ENCORE! Hope there'll be some interest in it . . . A wealth of info it for those wanting to know about Brit named trains!
One of these days <daze> we'll have to find a way to Green Bay for a visit to that museum ‘n reunion for you with that A4!
My only question regarding having Pat's Place AND the TrainWreck Saloon within walking distance of Barriger - is WHY would we be frequenting the Library Which reminds me of a story my barber told me this morning - said that the college aged son of a friend of his seemingly was never at his dorm room when the father called. All he would get was a message that said, "Joe is at the library." Turns out, the library was the name of the local pub . . . Great, huh
Hope you enjoyed the concert AND the evening at THE Irish Pub!
A thought: Why in the world would a band from Cork even want to be in mid-Missouri <puzzlement>
ROUND ‘n visit most appreciated!
Page 3 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 2:59 PM: A report from the WVA hill country! Better late than never, Mate . . .
My high school shop teacher only had 3 fingers on one hand! Hmmmmmm. <ouch>
Appears we both were "targeted" by those Gremlins - you with Pete's Post ‘n Moi with yours. <geesh>
Saw petrol at $3.62 <rounded> ‘n wondering what it will be today, as we're heading "out" for a long day . . . not pleasure, unfortunately. <groan>
Temps here have been too <censored> hot for my liking <or Juneau's either!> . . . today we "cooled" down to 90 (F) with humidity as thick as fog. <barf>
Lookin' like an uphill battle for the Red Birds - but they've seemingly come out of "it" lately . . . but the bull pen is <censored> . . . Manny is burning up his at bats, with the Dodgers, eh Almost a give-away, but these days <daze> the malcontents rise to the top . . . something wrong with that picture, methinks. <barf>
Thanx for the ROUND ‘n quarters!
Page 3 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7:15 PM <1:15 AM Thursday GMT>: Didn't expect you on this evening in light of your "big gig" . . . apparently things went well for ya! Hopefully in the not-to-distant-future we'll be rid of "mother hens" . . .
Seven car passenger car siding sounds impressive. Glad to know you've managed to squeeze in some time for the pike! What is the radius of your new curves Not sure that came thru . . .
Thanx for the visit ‘n ROUND, especially in these mighty Spartan times!
Page 3 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:35 PM: Every now ‘n then a good seeeeeeeeeegar ‘n a JD on the rocks puts the mind at ease. Congrats, Uncle Rob thanx for the ROUND ‘n smoke! Best to your sister-in-law ‘n lil' one . . .
I think Boris has been watching too many movies - for he's seen the way guys bite the tips of the seeeeeeeeeegars, spit ‘em out, etc. I've warned him about spitting ‘round here - so he's gotten into swallowing it. <ugh> Also thinks it's really a <hoot> to strike a match against those leather outfits H&H wear . . . <yikes>
Yes, the builder's plates are repros . . . would like to find some more, they add a nice touch to the atmosphere in the Can-Am Train Room . . .
I can well imagine how many must feel regarding the planned rail link between Pearson Int'l ‘n downtown . . . If it goes through as planned, I'd surely take it - sounds like a long awaited remedy. Just would be far better-er IF they'd <the powers> reconsider ‘n at least provide a few stops at the major points in between.
When our MetroLink came into being, the planners used existing right-of-way between our airport ‘n East St. Louis, Illinois. It was always planned to build off of that main line - unfortunately, those who "know better" have gone the way most arrogant ‘n self-serving "know it alls" go - the wrong way! But, that's been discussed too many times ‘round here . . . <barf> The "rub" is that none of these systems are cheap nor are they free from taxpayer funding - so why not serve the MAJORITY of people possible <bratzafratz>
Enjoyed your visit ‘n appreciate having you at the bar!
Thursday - August 7th:
Page 3 - Allan <Gunneral> at 1:42 AM <8:42 PM Friday NZ time>: I have a recommendation for you regarding that log-in problem: do NOT log out when you are finished at the bar. In other words, just go about your business without using the log-off procedure. That way your computer will remain linked with the Forum next time you visit the bar . . . try it - no harm will result.
We're heading into a dry spell ‘round these parts - but the other night we did have a deluge of sorts. So, we're encouraged that we just may have found the solution to the leaking basement wall. Doesn't mean that there aren't cracks in the wall - but may mean the SOURCE of the water has been interrupted. Hope so . . . bring on MORE hard rains! <grin>
Amazing I didn't' come up with this remedy long ago . . . our gutters are protected from receiving debris ‘n the like with a "cover" system called Gutter Helmet. The water flows in, but not leaves, twigs, etc. Never thought that anything could go down the downspouts to cause a problem - and actually nothing did. What occurred was an overgrowth of thick lawn at the end of the line routed away from the house. Over time, any standing water settled, along with dirt, which in time built up to totally block the egress. Make sense
Email received ‘n responded to - thanx!
Appreciate the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Page 3 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:50 AM <11:50 PM Wednesday Sandbox time>: Our Resident Nocturnal RETIRED Desert Swede is back amongst us! You were missed!
I think my version of the story regarding you ‘n your associate standing in front of the DMU is better! <grin>
Interesting statistic you came up with regarding my time in the USCG . . . Never thought of it quite like that . . .
Not sure what you mean regarding if that kind of transport existed . . . but those magazine covers supposedly reflected stories contained within the mags . . . Perhaps a good reason for your return to these parts ‘n another visit to the Barriger RR Library!
Back in the day, St. Louis was vying to become the "center" of the country insofar as transportation was concerned. With the major rivers converging in ‘n near this area, the geographic location was thought to be ideal for the railroads. Chicago was in competition - and of course ultimately "won" . . . The railroads found this area to be accessible ‘n centrally located - which of course it is. Too bad the interstate highway system came so late, otherwise perhaps St. Louis would have remained atop the RR industry for truck/rail transfers, etc. Anyway, that's a capsule explanation as I've heard it . . .
Nice shot from atop Pike's Peak, but the one of us at the ball park <ugh> <grin>
Thanx for your return to the bar, good cheer, < I3 > Post ‘n ROUND!
TODAY is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
A cup of coffee and I'll try a bacon sarnie please RUTH. As Tom predicted, after a really marvellous concert by the Irish Fushcia Band a trip to Pat's Place did ensue with the bride opting out as it was getting late.The band members turned up there too and they were great guys. I am feeling, how shall we say, a bit delicate this AM..
I have some ex LMS locomotives photos..
On the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway at Ingrow, a London & North Western 0-6-2 'Coal Tank' No 1054. Introduced in 1882 a F.W. Webb design mainly for the L&NWR lines in the West part of the coalfields in South Wales some members of the class lasted in BR service until the mid 1950s.As BR No.58926 her last shed was Abergavenny which had a sub-shed at Tredegar.
A couple of photos with class 5 no 45110 with some more modern motive power in the background. At Birmingham International station with a class 86 electric locomtive approaching.
I think this was on the same tour as the previous pic, The Staffordshire Terrier, at Chester with a class 101 Metro-Cammell DMU in the background.
At Bury Bolton Street station on the preserved East Lancs Railway a H.G.Ivatt 1946 design 2-6-0 class 2MT No 46441. The loco is carring The Mancunian' train headboard although I doubt if this class of locomotive worked that train. These locos worked on the some of the branch lines with a lighter weight limit, including some ex GWR lines in Mid Wales. In 1958 46441 was allocated to Lancaster(Green Ayre) shed. In the background is a MkI sleeping car.
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