A Classic REAL Trains 'n Traction FOTO site!

G'day!

Nice to see Lars 'n Art aboard today! [tup]

Not that much out there regarding the Rock Island (CRIP) so anything in the form of Pix is a real treat! [tup]

Now to the "theme" at hand - liked that Pix from you Lars! [tup] Don't believe I've see that one before . . .

Southern on the move, Harrisonburg, VA (1947)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

SOUTHERN
Streamlined Sleeping Cars
by Al

The Southern put together some of the finest streamlined trains to operate in the Southeastern United States. There first streamlined train was an all coach streamliner running between New York and New Orleans by way of Birmingham named the SOUTHERNER beginning March 31, 1941. This was followed by another mostly streamlined train the TENNESSEAN began service May 18, 1941 between Washington, D. C. and Memphis, Tennessee. The TENNESSEAN operated with heavyweight sleeping cars bringing up the markers of the otherwise all streamlined consist. Streamlining of the Premier All Pullman CRESCENT LIMITED would take place following WW II.
The Southern would streamline most of their trains following the war.
A lightweight streamlined NEW ROYAL PALM would operate between Cincinnati and Miami with cars originating in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland and Buffalo. But for some reason this train would never gain the popularity of the other Southern trains.
The Southerner would receive new cars following WW II, as would the TENNESSEAN. In fact following WW II the TENNESSEAN would become a fully streamlined train when the Southern received 14 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping cars in October - November 1949 from Pullman Standard. These eleven cars were assigned to the TENESSEAN with two to each consist. One car was a New York - Memphis car, another a Washington - Memphis car. The extra 14-4 cars were assigned to the NEW ROYAL PALM between Buffalo and Miami. The 14-4 cars were assigned 2200 series numbers and given VALLEY suffix names.

14 ROOMETTE 4 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard October - November 1949 Plan: 4153C Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to TENNESSEAN)

2200 CASHIER'S VALLEY

2201 HIWASSEE VALLEY

2202 JAMES RIVER VALLEY

2203 MISSISSIPPI VALLEY

2204 PAINT ROCK VALLEY

2205 PIEDMONT VALLEY

2206 ROANOKE VALLEY

2207 SHENANDOAH VALLEY

2208 SPRING VALLEY

2209 TENNESSEE VALLEY

2210 WAUHATCHIE VALLEY


The Southern equipped the new streamlined CRESCENT with three types of lightweight sleeping cars 10 Roomette 6 Double Bedroom cars were predominate in the consists with a single 1 Master Room 2 Drawing Room Buffet 21 seat Lounge car assigned to each train set. The third type lightweight streamlined sleeping car assigned to the CRESCENT was a 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 8 seat Cocktail Lounge 14 Seat Lounge Observation with high windows and raised observation lounge. The postwar Southern CRESCENT would operate as an all-Pullman train between New York and Atlanta and between Atlanta and New Orleans coaches were operated as well. The CRESCENT required four sets of equipment for daily operation. The CRESCENT was the only train in the south operating with a Master Room. It joined one other prestigious postwar train the BROADWAY LIMITED as being only one of two trains left in the United States by 1950 still operating with a Master Room. Sleeping cars operated in the CRESCENT were owned by not only the Southern but by other roads such as the L&N, PRR, WofA and A&WP and are identified as to ownership.

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September - October 1949 Plan: 4140 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CRESCENT)

SOUTHERN

2002 DAN RIVER

2003 CATAWBA RIVER

2004 ENOREE RIVER

2007 OTTER RIVER

2008 PACOLET RIVER

2009 POTOMAC RIVER

2010 RAPIDAN RIVER

2011 RIVANNA RIVER

2012 SALUDA RIVER

2013 SENECA RIVER

2014 SHENANDOAH RIVER

2017 TIGER RIVER

2019 TUGALO RIVER

2020 TYE RIVER

2021 YADKIN RIVER

2022 YORK RIVER

PRR

8351 BIRCH RIVER

8352 BUSH RIVER

8353 DELAWARE RIVER

8354 MIDDLE RIVER

8355 PATAPSCO RIVER

8356 RARITAN RIVER

8357 SCHUYLKILL RIVER

8358 SUSQUEHANNA RIVER

A&WP

CHATTAHOOCHEE RIVER

L&N

3400 MOBILE RIVER

3401 PEARL RIVER

W of A

ALABAMA RIVER

1 MASTER ROOM 2 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard December 1949 Plan: 4160 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CRESCENT)

2350 CRESCENT CITY

2351 CRESCENT HARBOR

2352 CRESCENT MOON

2353 CRESCENT SHORES

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 8 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 14 SEAT RAISED LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard February - March 1950 Plan: 4162 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CRESCENT)

SOUTHERN

2300 ROYAL ARCH

L&N

3300 ROYAL CANAL

3301 ROYAL STREET

W of A

ROYAL PALACE

The remaining 10-6 sleeping cars delivered to the Southern, CNOT&P and FEC were for the NEW ROYAL PALM. The other sleeping cars for the NEW ROYAL PALM were four 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 8 Seat Cocktail Lounge 14 Seat Lounge Observations. These were owned one each by the Southern, CNOT&P, NYC and FEC. The other sleeping cars assigned to the seasonal NEW ROYAL PALM were prewar 13 Double Bedroom COUNTY series sleeping cars belonging to the NYC and IMPERIAL series 4 Compartment 4 Double Bedroom 2 Drawing Room Sleeping cars also NYC. The 10-6 sleeping cars assigned to the NEW ROYAL PALM follow:

10 ROOMETTE 6 DOUBLE BEDROOM SLEEPING CARS Pullman Standard September - October 1949 Plan: 4140 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to NEW ROYAL PALM)

Southern

2000 ALAPAHA RIVER

2001 ALTAMAHA RIVER

2005 FLINT RIVER

2006 OCMULGEE RIVER

2015 RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER

2016 ST. JOHNS RIVER

2018 TOMBIGBEE RIVER

2023 WARRIOR RIVER

CNOT&P

3400 EMORY RIVER

3401 FRENCH BROAD RIVER

3402 COOSA RIVER

3403 HOLSTON RIVER

3404 ETOWAH RIVER

FEC

ARGENTINA

BRAZIL

CHILE

GUATEMALA

VENEZUELA

The four Sleeper Lounge Observations built for the NEW ROYAL PALM were as follows:

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 8 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE 14 SEAT RAISED LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard February - March 1950 Plan: 4162 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to NEW ROYAL PALM)

Southern

2301 ROYAL COURT

CNOT&P

3499 ROYAL PALM

NYC

ROYAL CREST

FEC

AZALEA

In November 1950 the Southern renamed 2300 ROYAL ARCH to 2300 LUTHER CALVIN NORRIS.
In September 1958 Pullman rebuilt 2300 LUTHER CALVIN NORRIS and 2301 ROYAL COURT into straight eleven Double Bedroom Sleeping cars for assignment to the CRESCENT between New York and Atlanta. Pullman rebuilt A third car belonging to Southern subsidiary CNOT&P 3499 ROYAL PALM in October 1958 to an eleven double bedroom sleeping car. This car was then assigned to run with the other two in CRESCENT service.
Although other Southern trains were assigned 10-6 Sleeping cars few of these trains became fully streamlined. One of the exceptions was the streamlined all coach SOUTHERNER that was assigned a 10-6 operating between New York and Birmingham in both directions.
Another 10-6 operated in the heavyweight BIRMINGHAM SPECIAL between New York and Birmingham.
The PEACH QUEEN carried one 10-6 between New York and Winston/Salem another between New York and Raleigh/Durham.
The AIKEN-AUGUSTA SPECIAL and ASHEVILLE SPECIAL forwarded a 10-6 Sleeping car between New York and Asheville.

TTFN AL

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #37

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago Great Western Railway (CGW)



Headquarters: Chicago (moved to Kansas City)

Mileage in 1950: 1,458

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 141

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars; 4,490
Passenger cars: 33

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Olewein, IA-Omaha, NE
Oelwein-Minneapolis
Oelwein-DesMoines, IA-St. Joseph, MO-Kansas City, MO
Clarion, IA-Mason City, IA-Austin, MN-Hayfield, MN
Osage, IA-Rochester, MN-Red Wing, MN
Red Wing-Mankato, MN
Simpson-Winona, MN

Passenger trains of note:

Blue Bird (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Great Western Limited (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Rochester Special (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Red Bird (Twin Cities-Rochester)
Legionnaire (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Minnesotan (Chicago-Twin Cities)
Mills Cities Limited (Kansas City-Twin Cities)
Nebraska Limited (Twin Cities-Omaha
Twin Cities Limited (Omaha-Twin Cities)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

CHICAGO
GREAT
WESTERN
Streamlined Head End Cars
by Al

The Chicago Great Western purchased but three lightweight streamlined cars and these three delivered in November 1946 were Baggage Cars 80 – 82. They were assigned to General Service operating in the MILL CITY LIMITED and other CGW trains until passenger service ended. In March 1965 the three Baggage Cars were sold to the Great Northern Railway and renumbered 277 – 279. They were often seen running in the westbound EMPIRE BUILDER between St. Paul and Spokane.

BAGGAGE CARS Pullman Standard November 1946 (Built for and assigned to General Service)

80 – 82

TTFN Al

G'day!

A little light reading for anyone out there interested . . . .

Chicago Great Western - Corn Belt Route (CGW)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Hiya Cap'n Tom

<argggggggggggggh> matey! Another most difficult RR to find anything on that isn't as protected as the gold in Ft. Knox! [swg] Looks like even 20 Fingers only came up with a "shorty!" (Speaking of which - how come we're not seeing much of you at the bar [?])

Caught your comments Art and hope you'll be around next week as I'll be away until mid week . . . [tup]

I haven't a thing to offer this Saturday - but thought I'd swing by B4 going over to the bar with my ENCORE contribution!


Until the next time!


Lars

G'day!

Nice to see ya Al 'n Lars!! [yeah] Al why so scarce at the bar these days [?]

A little something on the CGW . . . .

QUOTE: The Chicago Great Western Railway (AAR reporting mark CGW) was a Class I railroad that linked Chicago, Minneapolis, Omaha, and Kansas City. It was founded by Alpheus Beede Stickney in 1885 as a regional line between St. Paul and the Iowa state line called the Minnesota & Northwestern Railroad. Through mergers and new construction, the railroad, named Chicago Great Western after 1909, quickly became a multi-state carrier. One of the last Class I railroads to be built, it competed against several other more well-established railroads in the same territory, and developed a corporate culture of innovation and efficiency to survive. Nicknamed the Corn Belt Route because of its operating area in the midwestern United States, the railroad was sometimes called the Lucky Strike Road, due to the similarity in design between the herald of the CGW and the logo used for Lucky Strike cigarettes. It was merged with the Chicago and North Western Railway (CNW) in 1968, which abandoned most of the CGW's trackage.from Wikipedia.com

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

The company just got hi-speed internet service instead of dial up so will be over on the other thread when at work instead of just at home. Just getting back to work and have a lot of catching up to do but will be back at the other thread in a day or two.Only problem with the office is that I don't have ready access to my railroad material. By Monday things should be looking more like normal again.

TTFN Al

Yo Al

Are you saying that you CAN log on over here and post stuff but cannot do that over at the bar [?] Absolutely confused [%-)][%-)][%-)] - but then again, you guys from the left coast do have a different view of the world! [alien] <grin>

So, still with the Corn Belt I see. That just about leaves me outta the picture - so I'm going to resort to what I'm all about . . . . .

GN #1320 (from: www.trainweb.org)


GN #1321 (from: www.trainweb.org)


GN #1322 (from: www.trainweb.org)


GN #1323 (from: www.trainweb.com)


Wabash #200 (1956) (from: www.trainweb.org)


Amtrak #9560, former Wabash #200 (from: www.trainweb.org)


Amtrak #9561 former Wabash #201 (from: www.trainweb.org)


N&W #1611, former Wabash #201 (from: www.trainweb.org)



Until the next time, which probably will be Thursday!

Lars

G'day!

Nice spate of domes from Lars!

I think we're going to have to add "Yogi" to the monikers carried by Al [swg]

Now, here's a finale for the Corn Belt . . . .

CGW EMD F3 #115D freight (foto credit: unknown)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

G'day!

Okay - one more finale for the Corn Belt!!

CGW EMD F3 101A freight (foto credit: unknown)


That's it for this day! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #38

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:


Reading Lines



Headquarters: Philadelphia, PA

Mileage in 1950: 1,286

Locomotives in:

1930:
Steam: 930
Diesel: 2 (box cab switchers)

1963:
Steam 4
Diesel: 337

Rolling stock in

1930:
Freight cars: 43,298
Passenger cars: 910 (includes MU self-propelled)

1975:
Freight cars: 12,213
Passenger cars: 176 (includes MU self-propelled and RDCs)

Principal routes in 1950:

Philadelphia-Jersey City (New York via ferries, floats)
Philadelphia-Bethlehem, PA
Philadelphia-Reading, PA
Philadelphia & Camden-Atlantic City, NJ
Manville-Port Reading, NJ
Reading-Harrisburg, PA
Reading-Allentown, PA
Reading-Newberry Jct. (Williamsport), PA
Reading-Wilmington, DE
Harrisburg-Hagerstown, MD (through arrangement Hagerstown-Lurgan, PA)

Passenger trains of note:

Crusader (Philadelphia-Jersey City (New York)
Wall Street (Philadelphia-Jersey City (New York)
Schuylkill (Philadelphia-Pottsville, PA)
King Coal (Philadelphia-Shamokin, PA)
Harrisburg Special (Jersey City (New York)-Harrisburg
Queen of the Valley (Jersey City (New York)-Harrisburg)
North Penn (Philadelphia-Bethlehem


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Reading
CRUSADER
(December 13, 1937)
90 miles
By Al


The Reading inaugurated the CRUSADER December 13, 1937 a five car stainless steel consist from Budd with a round end Observation at each end of the streamliner. The CRUSADER operated between Jersey City and Philadelphia on a twice-daily round trip schedule. A pair of 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive’s and Tenders were streamlined with fluted stainless steel panels to match the trailing Budd built consist. The Tenders were rebuilt so the rounded Observation seemed to provide a smooth transition between the tender and the rest of the trailing train set. The CRUSADER covered the ninety miles between Jersey City and Philadelphia in a flat 90 minutes for an average speed of 60-mph. Because the CRUSADER was double ended it did not require turning at terminals. The Reading simply turned the power and reversed the seats in the cars for the return trip to Philadelphia. The two locomotives 117 and 118 were based in Philadelphia with one completing the Philadelphia – Jersey City morning round trip and the other completing the afternoon round trip. A pair of EMD FP7As operating back to back in 1948 replaced the Reading 117 and 118 streamlined Pacific Steam Locomotives originally assigned to the CRUSADER and the steam locomotives minus their streamlining were assigned elsewhere.

118 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific Locomotive & Tender

1 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

2 56 Revenue seat Coach with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

3 32-seat Dining 22 seat Lounge Car

4 56 Revenue seat Coach with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

5 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

TTFN Al

G'day!

Surprised to see you here today, Al - and a Happy Father's Day!

A Crusader Pix . . . .

Reading Railroad's Crusader
(courtesy: www.caboosenut.com - foto credit: unknown)



Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

G'day!

Slow day - which is GOOD - after all, the fathers out there should be doing something much more worthwhile with their time on this day! [swg]

MIne are grown, gone and not here . . . so - here I am! <grin>

Reading Railroad's Crusader (foto credit: unknown)


Later (maybe!) [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Hiya Tom and Happy Father's Day!

I didn't think I'd make it "in" today . . . Surprise, surprise - I have a pix for today's "theme!"! [yeah]

Reading: F7A 271
(1978) (from: www.readingrailroad.org)


Until the next time (which will probably be Thursday)!


Lars

Going to miss your posts over here Lars will try and contribute as long as Tome doesn't get to obscure with his picks of railroads.

Enjoyed the Crusade Pictures Tom When the CN purchased the Crusader conest they remodeled it and gave the entire consist a black window band then renamed it the Champlain? and assigned it to Montreal - Quebec City service. Eventually the cars were operated throughout the Quebec City - Winsor corridor and separted could be found in just about any of the Toronto- Windsor and Toronto - Sarnia trains with regular CN equipment. Several of the original Crusader cars found their way to museums after sale by Via Rail.

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #39

Here’s another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from Classic American Railroads:

Chicago, Indianapolis & Louisville - Monon (The Hoosier Line)



Headquarters: Chicago, IL

Mileage in 1950: 573

Locomotives in 1951

Diesel: 57

Rolling stock in 1951:

Freight cars: 2,609
Passenger cars: 59

Principal routes in 1950:

Chicago-Indianapolis
Louisville-Michigan City
Wallace Junction-Midland
Orleans-French Lick

Passenger trains of note:

Bluegrass (Chicago-Louisville)
Chicago Limited (Indianpolis-Chicago)
Day Express (Chicago-Louisville)
Daylight Limited (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Executive (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Hoosier (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Hoosier Limited (Chicago-French Lick)
Night Express (Chicago-Louisville)
Thoroughbred (Chicago-Louisville)
Tippecanoe (Chicago-Indianapolis)
Varsity (Chicago-Bloomington)
Velvet Train (Chicago-Cincinnati)
Mid-Night Special (Chicago-Cincinnati)

Of note:
Trains east of Indianapolis handled by Cincinnati, Hamilton & Dayton
Monon operated on Chicago & Western Indiana tracks between Hammond and Dearborn Station.
Monon operated on Kentucky & Indiana Terminal tracks between New Albany-Youngstown Yard-Union Station.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

CHICAGO
INDIANAPOLIS
&
LOUISVILLE
(C&IL)
Streamlined Dining & Lounge Cars
by Al

Better known as the Monon the C&IL operated passenger services between Chicago and Indianapolis and Chicago and Louisville. The railroad purchased no lightweight streamlined equipment prior to WW II. Following the war the government made available to the railroads 100 U.S. Army Hospital cars built by American Car & Foundry in 1944-45.
These cars rode on six wheel trucks but otherwise could be considered streamlined. They would require extensive rebuilding to become streamlined passenger equipment but the surplus price tag of $16,500.00 per car made them attractive to several railroads including the Alaska Railroad (32), Atlantic Coast Line (10), Southern Pacific (5) and Monon (28). Even the Ringling Brothers Circus purchased twenty-five of the surplus cars for their circus trains.
The Monon shops in Lafayette were given the task of rebuilding the cars into streamlined equipment for the Monon. Famed industrial designer Raymond Loewy was commissioned to design the interiors of the surplus equipment. Ten of the cars were rebuilt to feature cars.
Three of these were rebuilt to 24-seat dining bar 20-seat tavern lounge cars. The first of these was rebuilt in November 1947 and numbered 51. This car was assigned to the new streamlined HOOSIER inaugurated August 17, 1947 round trip between Indianapolis and Chicago. Car 51 was retired from service in 1959.

24-seat dining bar
20-seat tavern lounge car

51 originally U.S. Army 89389

An identical car to 51 numbered 52 was completed in November 1947 for the TIPPECANOE streamlined train between Chicago and Indianapolis round trip daily inaugurated November 15, 1947. This car lasted until 1959 when it was retired.

24-seat dining bar
20-seat tavern lounge car

52 originally U.S. Army 89379

In April 1948 the Lafayette shops released two 18-seat dining 10-seat parlor observations for service these two cars were assigned to the two consists of the THOROUGHBRED inaugurated February 15, 1948 between Louisville and Chicago using heavyweight dining –parlor cars until 58 and 59 were completed. Both cars were retired in 1959.

18-seat dining 10-seat parlor observations

58 originally U.S. Army 89346

59 originally U.S. Army 89373

The remaining six feature cars were 44-seat coaches with a six-seat lunch counter at one end. These cars operated in general service and were numbered 65-69. Car 65 was completed in June 1948 followed by 68 and 69 in July 1948 with 68 and 69 completed in October 1948. Car number 65 was remodeled to a 64-seat coach in 1954. Cars 66 and 67 were retired in 1959. Cars 68 and 69 were renumbered 80 and 81 in October 1949. Cars 80 and 81 were remodeled to 6-seat lunch counter 28-seat parlor cars in 1950 and both were again remodeled in 1953 to 6-seat lunch counter 40-seat coaches. Both cars were retired in 1959.

6-seat lunch counter
44-seat coaches

65 originally U.S. Army 89392

66 originally U.S. Army 89370

67 originally U.S. Army 89355

68 originally U.S. Army 89374

69 originally U.S. Army 89375

TTFN Al

G'day!

I see Al - 20 Fingers - Yogi has made it in! [swg] [tup] Always good stuff and always appreciated! [tup]

Check this out:

Chicago, Indianapolis & Louisville (MONON) map
(courtesy: www.mononrr.com)



To enlarge, CLICK the URL:
http://mononrr.com/mimages/maps/map_01.gif

Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

Hello Captain Tom!

Just left the bar and thought I would come by to check these pages. Appears that you have this thread perking along - even picked up a "regular" I noted. Well done! [tup]

I should be able to fill in for our friend, Lars - perhaps not in substance, but I will at least stop in in order to help keep this thread up and running (as you like to put it!)

Enjoy the day! [tup]

BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada's high mountain country!

Hi all -

Let me take the thread in a different direction for a minute (at least it's a Granger road, as with the CGW, etc.). C&NW streamlined cars retired, awaiting disposition in the run-up to Amtrak. First is a single-deck diner, 7800 at California Avenue, Chicago on April 15, 1971.

Al, do you happen to have the builder and build date for this car? As always, appreciate whatever you can share.

Enjoy!

Art

From the same red-lined string at Cal Av on April 15, 1971, next is the 7602 a baggage-mail-lounge rebuilt to run with the gallery-type long-distance coaches and parlors that C&NW bought from P-S. Again, Al if you've got particulars for this car, would be great to know.

Art

And finally, red-lined diner 6953 at the end of the string of cars in Cal Av yard on April 15, 1971. Another car rebuilt to match the roof profile of the long-distance gallery cars.

Enjoy!

Art

G'day!

Great to see the return of our friend, BK from that loooooooong hiatus in Hawaii! <envy>

Also, good to see Art this fine day as well! [tup] I noted that with several of your most recent Posts that when trying to enlarge your Pix (clicking on them) they "baloon up" to super size, rather than simply a "regular" enlargment. Don't really know why that happens - but every now 'n then it's one of those "things" on the Forums with no explanation . . . . Interesting Pix though . . . .

Now, to the "theme" - here's a shot some may find interesting!

MONON #81A (courtesy: www.mononrr.com
- foto credit: unknown)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

Good Afternoon Tom and Art.

Quick answer to Arts questions.

7800 was constructed by AC&F June 1949 for assignment to service in Coach section of CITy streamliners They had 8 seat Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining area and 16 seat Lounge area. Northwestern assigned car to Dakota 400 when replaced by CMSTP&P cars in CITY service.

7602 constructed by Pullman Standard in December 1941 originally assigned to Capitol 400 and City of Milwaukee 400 and Commuter 400 trains. Built with 30" Baggage scetion 16-seat Tavern Lounge (4 tables for four) stanup bar and 9 seat Lunch counter. Returned to Pullman and Roof was raised and HEP installed November 1958.

6953 built by Pullman Standard in December 1941 as 56-seat Dining car and assigned to TWIN CITIES 400 trains.
Returned to Pullman and raised roof and HEP installed in November 1958.

Hope that helps Art.

TTFN Al

Hi Al -

Thanks for the build and re-build info - much appreciated!

Tom, yes the 6953 shot did that when I first posted the reply, but immediately settled down to the "normal" size. That's the first time I had an image respond like that.

G'day!

Another "theme" Pix . . .

MONON #84A
(courtesy: www.mononrr.com - foto credit: unknown)


Later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

CHICAGO
INDIANAPOLIS
&
LOUISILLE
(MONON)
Streamlined Coaches
by Al

The C&IL better known as the Monon approached streamlining of their passenger services by remodeling surplus U.S. Army Hospital cars that became available in 1947 from the Government. Only the Alaska Railroad went as far as the Monon in purchasing these cars for streamlined train service. The Monon purchased 28 of these cars built new for the U.S. Army by American Car and Foundry in 1944-45. The Monon built four complete streamlined consists the HOOSIER, and TIPPECANOE for service between Chicago and Indianapolis and two consists of the THOROUGHBRED for service between Chicago and Louisville. The Monon shops doing the conversion work to former U.S. Army Hospital cars gave the railroad the streamlined trains faster and at less cost then would have been the case if they had ordered from any car manufacturers. The conversion work done by the Monon’s own shops was very professional in appearance and permitted the Monon to have four streamlined consists in service in 1947-48 probably three years sooner than they would have had to wait for new cars from the manufacturers.
The first of the new streamlined trains to enter service was the HOOSIER between Chicago and Indianapolis round trip daily beginning August 17, 1947. The six-car streamliner was powered by an A-B set of EMD F3s.

81A EMD F3A 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

81B EMD F3B 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

21 46 Revenue seat Coach

22 46 Revenue seat Coach

23 46-revenue seat Coach

51 24-seat Dining Bar 20 seat Tavern Lounge Car

71 25 Revenue seat Parlor 11 seat Lounge Observation

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR Monon Shops July 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to HOOSIER)

11 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89377

46 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Monon Shops July 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to HOOSIER)

21 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89377

22 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89371

23 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car
89394

24 SEAT DINING KITCHEN BAR 20 SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE CAR Monon Shops July 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to HOOSIER)

51 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89389

25 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Monon Shops July 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to HOOSIER)

71 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89364

The second streamliner to enter Monon service in 1947 was the TIPPECANOE another six car streamliner between Chicago and Indianapolis round trip daily beginning November 15, 1947.

82A EMD F3A 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

82B EMD F3B 1,500 hp Diesel passenger Booster Unit

12 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

24 46 Revenue seat Coach

25 46 Revenue seat Coach

26 46-revenue seat Coach

52 24-seat Dining Bar 20 seat Tavern Lounge Car

72 25-Revenue seat Parlor 11 seat Lounge Observation

BAGGAGE 30’ RAILWAY POST OFFICE CAR Monon Shops October 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to TIPPECANOE)

12 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89395

46 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Monon Shops August – October 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to TIPPECANOE)

24 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89372

25 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89390

26 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89396

24 SEAT DINING KITCHEN-BAR 20 SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE CAR Monon Shops November 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to TIPPECANOE)

52 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89379

25 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 11 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Monon Shops November 1947 (Rebuilt for and assigned to TIPPECANOE)

72 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car


The Monon provided service between Chicago and Louisville and to streamline this service two consists were required. The THOROUGHBRED began service as a streamliner February 15, 1948 but calling this train a streamliner was a bit of a misnomer. At that time only five 52-revenue seat Coaches were streamlined two for each train set and one as a spare. The remainder of both consists were heavyweight cars initially; Monon shops completed the remaining streamlined cars for the THOROUGHBREDS in 1948. In April 1948 the two Dining Parlor Observations were completed and replaced heavyweight cars in the THOROUGHBREDS. In July 1948 a pair of Lunch Counter Coaches were delivered one for each consist. The following month August 1948 saw the Monon shops deliver one 52-revenue seat Coach; this car along with the earlier 5 gave each train set three. The THOROUGHBREDS operated with heavyweight Baggage cars throughout their careers. The following consists operated after all streamlined cars were delivered.

83A EMD F3A 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

83B EMD F3B 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

Unknown Heavyweight Baggage Car

66 44 Revenue seat Coach with 6 seat Lunch Counter

27 52 Revenue seat Coach

29 52 Revenue seat Coach

31 52 Revenue seat Coach

58 18-seat Dining 10 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

SECOND CONSIST

84A EMD F3A 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

84B EMD F3B 1,500 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

Unknown Heavyweight Baggage Car

67 44 Revenue seat Coach with 6 seat Lunch Counter

28 52 Revenue seat Coach

30 52 Revenue seat Coach

32 52 Revenue seat Coach

59 18-seat Dining 10 Revenue seat parlor Observation

52 REVENUE SEAT COACHES Monon Shops February 1948 (Rebuilt for and assigned to THOROUGHBREDS)

27 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89386

28 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car
89381

29 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89382

30 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car
89393

31 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89367

52 REVENUE SEAT COACH Monon Shops August 1948 (Rebuilt for and assigned to THOROUGHBREDS)

32 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89366

44 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 6 SEAT LUNCH COUNTERS Monon Shops July 1948 (Rebuilt for and assigned to THROUGHBREDS)

66 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89370

67 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car
89355

18 SEAT DINING 10 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR OBSERVATIONS Monon Shops April 1948 (Rebuilt for and assigned to THOROUGHBREDS)

58 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89346

59 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89373

Besides the four consist of the previously mentioned trains the Monon shops streamlined six additional cars that were used as spares for those streamliners otherwise they were assigned to General Service.

52 REVENUE SEAT COACH Monon Shops September 1948 (Rebuilt for and assigned to General Service)

33 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89349

52 REVENUE SEAT COACH Monon Shops January 1949 (Rebuilt for and assigned to General Service)

34 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89380

24 SEAT DINING KITCHEN-BAR 20 SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE CAR Monon Shops May 1948 (Rebuilt for and assigned to TIPPECANOE – HOOSIER as spare otherwise operated in General Service)

53 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89388

44 REVENUE SEAT COACHES WITH 6 SEAT LUNCH COUNTER Monon Shops June – November 1948 (Rebuilt for and assigned to General Service)

65 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89392

68 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car
89374

69 originally U.S. Army Hospital Car 89375

The Monon renumbered cars 68 and 69 in October 1949 renumbering them 81 and 82 at that time. They were then assigned to the HOOSIER and TIPPECANOE.
In May 1956 Monon Shops refurbished the interior of one of the 44-revenue seat Coaches with a 6 seat Lunch Counter number 65 emerged from the shops as a 75-revenue seat Coach with the new number 41 in May 1956.
In May 1959 the 52-revenue seat Coach 29 was remodeled to a 75 seat Coach with the new number 42.
In February 1960 46-revenue seat Coach 21 was remodeled to 75-seat Coach 43.
The 46-revenue seat Coach 23 was shopped in December 1960 and remodeled to 75-revenue seat Coach 44.
One additional 46-revenue seat Coach 26 was remodeled in August 1964 becoming 75 revenue seat Coach 45.
The last coach to have its interior remodeled from 52 revenue seats to 75 was car 34 emerging in September 1966 as car 46.

TTFN Al

G'day!

One more Pix . . .

MONON #84A
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Tom[4:-)] [oX)]